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Murena has a preloaded fork.

Easy


No, Murena sells devices with /e/OS which is fork of LineageOS which drastically rolls back privacy and security compared to it. LineageOS itself rolls those back compared to the Android Open Source Project but not nearly as much as /e/OS. LineageOS would be a better choice for privacy, security, app compatibility and usability than Purism's product.

GrapheneOS and /e/OS are very different operating systems. GrapheneOS is a hardened OS with massive privacy/security improvements and a far different appropach to mainstream app compatibility. GrapheneOS can be purchased preloaded on devices including from companies like NitroKey, so that is not something that's a difference between them. GrapheneOS is based on AOSP directly, not LineageOS.

https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm is a third party comparison between different alternate mobile operating systems. It could include many more privacy/security features but it's a good starting point.

https://grapheneos.org/features provides an overview of what GrapheneOS provides. It doesn't cover all of the features but it covers a lot of them.

/e/OS lags very far behind on shipping Android privacy/security backports, lags a year or more behind on shipping standard privacy/security patches and does not keep the standard Android privacy/security model or features intact. Like LineageOS, /e/OS mainly supports devices without proper non-stock OS support and without firmware/driver patches. For the few devices they support which do provide those updates, they are much worse than LineageOS at shipping them to users. They don't use standard hardware-based security features even when they're made available to an alternate OS. /e/OS is not a safe option because going months or even years without critical browser engine and OS updates is a serious problem. It is not an academic or theoretical issue. They are failing to patch critical issues and some of those are known to be exploited in the wild.

You can run nearly all Play Store apps on GrapheneOS, but not /e/OS with the much more limited and less secure microG approach. https://bsky.app/profile/grapheneos.org/post/3lamcjfv5r22s explains the difference in approach. Of course, their approach certainly provides dramatically more mobile app compatibility than using the desktop Linux stack on mobile as is being proposed in the original post.


Ok, now try sending RCS messages?


I use signal. Don't need.


I'm pretty sure my degoogled Murena /e/ OS pixel 5 won't have this problem.


You wouldn't have this problem with a stock OS Android device either.

It's worth noting that you're using an insecure end-of-life device and are missing a large number of High and Critical severity privacy/security patches including ones being exploited in the wild. Due to the device being end-of-life, you don't have firmware/driver patches, which are not being provided by your OS despite it continuing to support it. You're also missing important non-device-related OS patches due to /e/OS lagging behind and not shipping them properly.

You should really replace the device if you care at all about privacy and security. The 3 years of support for the Pixel 5 was not adequate for a significant portion of users. The past 2 generations of Pixels have 7 years of support from launch, which should be enough for most people.

/e/OS also doesn't ship proper signed production releases and doesn't keep the standard privacy/security model or features intact. It greatly reduces privacy and security compared to LineageOS which reduces them compared to the Android Open Source Project.

Purism's Librem 5 is definitely not the answer. It had dramatically worse hardware, firmware and software security than Pixels or iPhones from day one along with not providing high importance firmware updates to users. Presenting it as the answer to minor app compatibility issues also makes little sense since throwing out compatibility with most open source mobile apps and nearly all mainstream apps hardly resolves a subset of banking/financial apps and a tiny number of other apps banning using a non-stock OS.


Until it becomes too hard to fork and support the Google OS.


I'm pretty sure my degoogled Murena /e/ OS pixel 5 won't have this problem.



Indeed


We still have witch hunts both figuratively and literally - we assign blame to innocent parties and jail or unelect them.

And awareness is irrelevant. When I listened to the golden age of punk rock (IMHO) I didn't need to be aware of it: its self awareness changes nothing

And there was no "field" of witch hunting: but even if it is conceded to be so, what's wrong with a good witch burning and hanging now then?

Now we "cancel" or censor (or on HN down vote 'trolls') which is no different. Intolerance and demonizing just takes different forms in different ages.


> a good witch burning and hanging now then? Now we "cancel" or censor (or on HN down vote 'trolls') which is no different.

Literal physical violence and death is VERY different to getting canceled or censored.


Destroying livelihoods leads to self injury and death. But yes, Mr. Obvious, they are literally different. Touché.

I'm talking about intolerance and demonization. It leads to false criminal charges which may include death penalties. Is an electrocution literally the same as being burned alive? Nope. What say ye Mr Obvious to that?


> But yes, Mr. Obvious, they are literally different. Touché.

You've been asked before to avoid commenting in the flamewar style on Hacker News. If you keep doing it we'll have to ban the account. Please make an effort to show you intend to use HN the way it's intended.


I am unaware of any such warning nor do I know what a flamewar style is.

Ban away. I don't need you.


You were asked after this comment a couple of months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43316311

We can do without the defiance, we just need everyone to remember that this is only a good place for discussing anything because enough people make an effort observe the guidelines. Please do you part to make the place better not worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


We still have figurative witch hunts. And always have. The term has nothing to do with magic, magick, nor paganism.

We - the Western world, at least - have not had a genuine literal witch hunt in centuries. If you live in Africa, and are speaking locally, you should make that clear.

Otherwise, you are outrightly lying to make your point.


I fucking approve!


The use of passive voice and vagueness hides the actors involved: namely management.

But they always have a spreadsheet where they calculate how they can convert your former salary into their bonus.

"Never underestimate (management) greed" - to paraphrase Scarface.


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Triforcin'


Once they starting working federal contracts their fate was sealed

Trump has promised to pull hard on the leash of federal dollars.

If Google want "freedom" it will be free of those federal dollars. I suspect they don't want freedom on those terms


People who work at Google may have an influence on that more than those who don't

And are likely to be more motivated anyway as they have skin in the game

Once you quit its not as compelling a problem


DEI as such like racial quotas generally have failed, for what reasons we can guess.

You can protest by quitting but that won't fix anything

Its like vegans "quitting" meat. Not a cow was ever saved by this gesture. There are sufficient cow eaters to make such a gesture irrelevant

That's not saying nothing can be done

But some gestures are just that


> Its like vegans "quitting" meat. Not a cow was ever saved by this gesture

If adult men in the US eat something like 67 pounds of beef per year on the average, and cows average 430 pounds of meat, that's about 1 cow every 7 years. Of course there are likely other animals to account for.


> Its like vegans "quitting" meat. Not a cow was ever saved by this gesture. There are sufficient cow eaters to make such a gesture irrelevant

Oh? Do you vote? Because there's sufficient other voters that make your vote irrelevant


Absolutely correct !!

If voting is not coordinated and done in an effective manner its just a 3rd party protest vote "gesture" (in the US w a 2party system )


You’re almost certainly right. But what else can you do for a cause you believe in? They quit and posted a blog about it. At least three people (the commenters so far) have probably read it. Maybe it gains traction. All change starts with one person.


If there are 10 remote labor contractors waiting for every quitter (equivalent to a strike breaker "scab") how is google hurt at all?

There are many kinds of " strike" and they require planning and thought.

Here's a quick link I quacked:

https://lawbhoomi.com/types-of-strike/

Ineffective action doesn't multiply into effective action.

Gesture based political action has the same problem of terrorism, which is also ineffective, almost certainly for many of the same reasons

Effective action can be had but it requires coordination leadership, strategic thinking - one off or wildcat action may politicize people towards effective action but alone is (sorry to say) pointless


>Gesture based political action has the same problem of terrorism, which is also ineffective

You’re right, the USA didn’t dramatically change after 9/11. We citizens didn’t almost instantly lose tons of rights that still have not been returned and the world didn’t descend into a years long war.


The Unabomber wanted to end "technological society " but he did manage to improve postal safety standards. Mission accomplished?

If the goal of the 9/11 hijackers was to improve airport security then mission accomplished! But I think their goal was something else.

Clearly you don't read too well


>But I think their goal was something else.

What do you think it was? Because it did far far more negative than just “improve” airport security.


It doesn't matter- they failed to punish the US, stop supporting Israel, or withdraw from the middle east or whatever their goals were.

Terrorism fails but I never said it was "without effect". Vegans boycotting milk hasn't saved any " enslaved cows" but it has given birth to a robust soy and oatmilk industry

But no cows have been released from their oppression. Not a one


So just to be clear, it’s not effective, but you can’t say at what, but the world is a much different, much worse place, millions are dead as a direct result of terrorism, but it doesn’t matter?

I don’t think this is a fruitful thread.


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