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this take is so pretentious that it reads like tech bro satire. Ah yes, customizing my email footer settings will showcase my refined taste and advanced aesthetic sense.


Well it's a bit more complicated than that. No, it doesn't showcase any kind of refined taste, it's just like a super simple signal for the bare minimum. Kinda like... uh... wearing clothes that fit, fashion choices aside.


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'California voters absolutely own voting for proposition 22'

To be fair they set a new record for money spent on supporting a ballot measure in state history ($225m) and it still only passed with 58%.

If you divide the $225m spent lobbying this by the 9,339,069 votes for it comes out to $23.98 per vote.

https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_22,_App-Based... https://www.latimes.com/projects/props-california-2020-elect...


58 percent (closer to 59 percent in fact) can only be described as a blowout. Maybe if they spent less it would simply have been closer.

Meg Whitman spent something like $180M for the governor's race, and still lost badly. You can't sell voters something they don't want to buy.


Okay but the less of a difference (you're claiming) it made, the more (it means) they had to pay per vote. So like, if it was going to be 55% in-favor regardless, then they only "bought" 3% of voters, which would mean having paid $23.98 * 58/(58-55)= $463/vote.


RIP.

I'd love to know why is this allowed but Kobe threads were all removed?


This is a forum for nerds, and nerds get bullied by jocks.


> The media has fallen into the well-known trap of optimizing the wrong KPI. You want to maximize trust with the public, not engagement

KPI for whose benefit? Shareholders or the 'public good'? Why would a for-profit entity optimize for the public good over profits?

Fox news is crushing all their competitors optimizing for engagement.

Who is winning optimizing for trust?


And a vast majority of Fox's growth has been from talking faces, not news. Tucker Carlson has mentioned several times that he's "not the news", but an opinion commentator. I think this reinforces the OPs point.

Maybe we need to have more strict regulations on what can call itself a "news agency", when most of its programming is entertainment opinion commentary.


Many journalists lobbied themselves into a position where they can only be seen as opinion commentators, so we have little else anymore. You just have to pick the opinion you like most. This is not an endorsement of Carlson, just for the record.


The conversation here is missing this point and the actual market dynamics - news pays crap.

Advertising goes to the place with most eyeballs.

If you had to choose between the super bowl and Tucker Carlson, it’s not hard to guess where the ad will go.

The internet killed off the classifieds so that leaves even less money for news firms.

Add in consolidation and king making functions under Murdoch - and media firms like Fox have a very different purpose now.

The business of News is losing to the business of entertainment.

No one wants to pay to be bored.

The only people who will pay for boring news are people who get more value out of it than boredom.

This is a society level issue, not industry level issue.


It goes back to what a company's value proposition is. Media companies certainly benefit from optimizing this KPI, but it means they are now going to become entertainment companies. This isn't necessarily "bad" from the standpoint of the media companies or their shareholders, but insofar as the people who make up those organizations still want the company's value proposition to their customers to be providing journalism, the company has failed. Given the culture of journalism being a mission-oriented pursuit, it's fair to assume that many people will feel remorse at these changes occurring within these organizations, even if those organizations become very valuable entertainment companies.


This story is so wild, imagine being this couple and trying to tell the police ebay execs are harassing me because I wrote mean things about them on the internet. This is a widespread thing that's going on in our culture right now, organized bullying and targetted harassment by those in power and it's having devastating consequences on the public discourse. This case is unique because the overconfidence and carelessness of the execs led to them being caught but in most cases people aren't reckless enough to leave easily tracked evidence of their misdeeds.

I can think of multiple examples of agriculture/pharma companies and game publishers engaging in this type of retaliatory harassment, most cases they're not careless enough to get caught.


It makes me wonder how often things like this might be happening in cases that typically get written off as somebody having paranoid persecution delusions about being "gangstalked." If this couple had told me their story, I have little doubt that I wouldn't have believed them.


Happens all the time, it’s just that the bad actors are usually more competent and better at distancing themselves than the people at eBay.

A good example is what Chevron is doing right now to Steven Donziger, an attorney who won a settlement against them for their polluting in Ecuador:

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/29/chevron-ecuador-lawsuit-...

Also Weinstein’s use of Black Cube:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/jan/30/harvey-weinstei...


Wow that lawyer got completely taken off the board.

I wish more people know about donziger's case


This happens even by the police. The NYPD harassed the man who filmed Eric Garner being choked to death in 2014.

> Orta has filed one lawsuit and plans to file another, alleging that the NYPD has arrested him several times in retaliation for filming the Garner video. Another lawsuit claims that Rikers Island guards put rat poison in Orta’s food.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57f5019ae4b04c71d6f12ba4


> "...in our culture right now..."

no, this has happened throughout time and everywhere, and will, far into the future. it's not just right now, or unique to the web. being perceived a threat (like writing mean things) typically elicits a negative response. it's literally how escalation happens.

that shouldn't be surprising. but what's unacceptable is the unethical, criminal, and grossly disproportionate response.


I am in agreement with you as a general principle. In this particular case though, one of the ideas that executive came up with were straight of a spy fiction 'Body of lies'. I guess what I am saying is we should not dismiss cultural impact.


> This is a widespread thing that's going on in our culture right now

Is it? I never see stories about it. Can you elaborate?


agreed man, have fond memories of tweaking themes for daily drivers like irc client, winamp foobar2000, compared to like spotify or discord now feels so neutered and limited in terms of customizing appearance.


Yeah and everything now is so disjointed. It shits me. Eg not only can’t you customise Spotify or Discord visually, but they don’t even respect the OS controls. You can’t resize them properly to fit windows 10 tiling, the menus are a broken mess, etc.

They insist on doing everything themselves and ignoring all standards which just ends up looking ugly and broken.

One of my main passions in theming is making your entire system look cohesively styled. Hell, I’d rather have standard Windows look but every program using the system UI so at least it all looks the same. I despise Spotify, Discord, and all Electron apps for this reason. They look so amateurish.


Same here. And it's not just theming. Windows has always had a lot of small, lesser-known conventions around UI elements, some accessibility features, and a way for additional software to hook up to the UI. None of that is respected when an application decides to draw its own UI on a canvas.


Yeah and with Windows 10 you can't even set the title bar color to be black unless you either download 3rd party tools or hack around in your registry.

On the bright side, with native Linux you can customize everything. It's so fun to customize your window manager, status bar, etc. and have everything look and work exactly how you want.


a dark pattern because while it's not actually required it might as well be, their 'account locked' email conveniently leaves out that you can simply email them and have them re-enable the account without a phone number.

that email for the curious:

Hello,

Your account appears to have exhibited automated behavior that violates the Twitter Rules: https://support.twitter.com/articles/18311.

In order to continue safely using Twitter, please follow these steps:

1. Log in to your account on the web or open your Twitter app (iOS or Android). 2. You’ll see a prompt letting you know your account has been locked. Click or tap “Start”. 3. Select your country/region from the drop down menu, and then enter your phone number. 4. Click “Send code” and Twitter will send you a text message with a confirmation code (note that your standard message rates may apply). 5. Enter the code you received in the “Your code” box and click “Submit”. 6. You will see a confirmation message that your account is now unlocked.

Once you confirm your identity, it may take up to a few minutes for your account to be unlocked.

If you’re still experiencing an issue after confirming your identity, please reply to this message and provide us with specific details of the problem you're experiencing. We’ll do our best to help!

Thanks,

Twitter Support

If you reply to this saying you don't have a phone they will re-enable your account but there's no mention of that or "click here to verify account" option.


Yeah, I gotta try that sometime.


One contract that was handed to me from an established company even included a clause that any IP created by even up to 5 (FIVE!) years AFTER you're no longer employed belongs to the company. Vaguely defined as anythikng related to the 'core business' (technology). Ridiculous and thankfully at least under CA laws completely unenforceable bully tactics.


FIFA (The governing body for soccer) issues similar fines and bans for any political messages. ie fined they recently fined English/Scotish FA's 100k for players wearing poppies (a flower) which symbolize fallen soldiers from WW1*.

In both cases while on a base human level it FEELS wrong, if you follow the $$ end of the day the broadcast is the product they're selling to advertisers. Adding any sort of political/divisive messaging could be easily kill those deals - makes sense given the finances. You're attacking their primary income stream, of course they're gonna come at you hard.

The player is not owed any platform by participating in this Blizzard event. If they banned him for comments made on his own social media outside of the event it would be a different story.

To be clear I'm not defending Blizzard, just explaining why most broadcast orgs will react similarly.

It is what it is, until the advertising based model of entertainment changes it'll continue to be this way.


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