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I thought a year ago when I bought a new laptop with 365 and Copilot integrated that they would make better use of AI and its integration. I can't think of when I actually used it and cancelled any subscription associated with it. On the otherhand, I use ChatGPT all the time.

I am a big personal privacy advocate. However, I'm also well aware of how much crime is happening online and on signals that don't sit clearly in public and private channels. If you worked with this stuff like I do, you'd understand gov't and le needs more regualted and responsible access to this data. At the same time, if you're in Brazil (FE) there is no need for Facebook to comply to your warrant request. So how do you stop romance scams, coordinated trafficking, everything that happens there (BTW META is a HUGE platform for this stuff) So sometimes, your only way access data is through purchasing it.

So the US federal government will combat romance scams by violating random citizens privacy when it cant stop the president from conducting stock market manipulation scams on twitter? Institutional trust needs to be earned and maintained.

> So the US federal government will combat romance scams by violating random citizens privacy when it cant stop the president from conducting stock market manipulation scams on twitter? Institutional trust needs to be earned and maintained.

Additionally, we expect the government to respect any laws or acts when the current administration seems to be ignoring most of it? Literally why do people even think the government needs to "BUY" data??? They can get it regardless and nobody is really there to stop them until things change.


1) Currently on invisign - mould 24 of 42

2) For 5k (Cdn) - I get 42 moulds, a method used to scan and submit my progress for each mould duration, feedback and advice from a dentist, a scan test to see who they fit

3) Considering the cost of braces and the flexibility these allow (as long as you are disciplined in wearing them) it's well worth it

4) My teeth were really misaligned. At 42 I just decided to do it so I could smile more in pics. Not confidence issue, just sometimes in life you have to do things for yourself

5) You can see the 3d printing lines and its pretty detailed given how lightweight and accurate the shape is for each tooth

6) There are little mounts they install on your teeth for the moulds to latch on to as well, so its not just a fit on the teeth but the mounts as well

7) Each individual mould has a unique number on the package in comes in as well as on the mould. Each package has my name, the dentist and the mould number out of 42.

8) I could see changes starting with mould 6

9) If look even close to mould 42, I will be extactic

10) it also comes with an attachment for your phone that alows you to submit self exams each mould. Its really cool. its very impressive


Just be prepared near the end for refinements. When I did mine, I had to do another 6 months of refinements near the end to help get the locking of my bite grip to be where it needs to be. I was otherwise expecting that day to be when I’d be done, and later learned refinements are a fairly common occurrence when going through Invisalign.

As the sibling comment, it’s definitely worth it. Best of luck!


This isn’t the case with 3D printed bracket systems. Studies have shown that the 3D personalized bracket system from LightForce will cut down treatment time over 40%. The refinement phase is also spot on and finishes much faster, and recent studies have shown further improvements. Also, the more complex the case, the larger the delta on the performance. Not all orthos are practicing this way but this is where the future is going whether it is LightForce or another company. The physics just works out better than the best plastics.

Disclaimer: I’m a health nerd and was an employee a couple years ago.


LightForce still requires a lot of visits to the doctor. Nice source of revenue for orthos. Aligners may become more accessible to patients, because that tech is more scalable by design.

Ivan worked at Align and was CTO of European DTC competitor. I agree with Ivan that both technologies have their sweet spot. I disagree with the scale piece and the frequency of visits as there are practices doing both those things differently using the placement and remote monitoring technology.

For younger patients that haven’t had braces before which is the majority of historical patient populations and future ones, 3D printed personalized braces systems are better as the tooth movement needed is more clinically substantial at tougher angles. Many younger patients forget and lose their plastic aligners.

That said: what is chosen should be what for the whole person at multiple levels.


This sounds like AI-written comment, at least in the first part. What I do not get is why are you dismissing the argument about number of visits. 3D printed braces are still braces. They require manual adjustment for each treatment stage. Aligners do not need that - they may need a check-up in the middle of the treatment, maybe one or two mid-course corrections, maybe an appointment for installation of attachments, but that's it. You change aligners at home without visiting doctor.

>Many younger patients forget and lose their plastic aligners.

They can get a new one easily by post.


Best of luck! I completed mine 2 years ago and have to say it was 100% worth the patience.

My SO is now using it. I’m waiting for her impressions to decide if I want to do so.

The dentist told me I’d only need it for like 3-4 months, minor corrections. But it seems like such a hassle. Always having to remove it before eating anywhere, no coffee, and gotta make sure I’d always travel with the next set of aligners etc.

Glad it worked well for you though!


I lost a few pounds doing it because snacking became so annoying. :)

Because it’s annoying to remove and clean for eating each time, it will get to a point where coffee or the odd snack is not worth the hassle. Maybe once in the year process did I find it worth it to remove it to eat fourth time in a day. It’s a weird reorienting. Like jumping into a new energy level that is more taxing, but is in a minima such that you want to stay to 3 meals a day.

I am nearing the end, depending on the refinements. The first two weeks I was regretting it, but adjusted quickly. Honestly for me the issue was more that I did not like the way my teeth feel with the trays out (and the rough field of the aligners on the teeth). The eating was not that big of a deal. I have a travel toothbrush and case I keep with me. It has been pretty easy.

Still looking forward to getting the stuff off my teeth.

I needed 15 trays so just 30 weeks. Not that bad.


Just do what I did: ignore your orthodontist and wear them only at night, smashing them into your mouth like some kind of idiotic brute. 4 years later, great teeth!

I'll admit that I wore them less than indicated (but always at night) and doesn't seem to make much of a difference?

You teeth are literally being pushed to a new position. So if you dont use the braces for the "minimum" duration, you teeth may not be in a place where they need to be for the second set of braces to start working. So your 2nd braces are going to be pushing more and that might cause damage to your teeth/gums. Think of it like trying to do splits. If you have never done them ever before and you try to do them on your first try, then you gonna break whatever you have down there. But if you keep at it then day by day you will notice progress. The braces are like that. Each one eases you into the next stage if that makes sense.

I've had good smile all my life but now at 41 I've started to feel a tightness between my teeth.

Lo and behold I read that as we age the jaws shrink which makes the teeth crowd together.

I'm going for a free mouth scan in a couple weeks.


Wouldn't be such a big deal if we didn't keep all our teeth, but we do now. The migration forward as we age, plus wisdom teeth are evolutionary holdovers.

Fun fact, I have one fully grown in wisdom tooth. The rest are still there, but never moved. My dentist is always after me to get all of them removed, telling me that they won't fill a cavity on the grown in one


You should find a new Dentist if that's their response. There's no reason to take out a healthy tooth if it's not impacting your quality of life or there are other issues.

Sounds like your Dentist is chasing $ over sense. My better half is a DDS, and they see quite a few patients wherein others in the field put their opinions and revenue over their hippocratic oath.


I'm 50 and still have all mine. One of them is at a 90 degree angle pointing forward as well.

I grew up in a time/place where you never went to the dentist or doctor unless if you were pretty much dying, but at least times are changing now.


And conversely having all of your teeth, and straight ones at that, help prevent jaw wasting.

How long does the process last? Are the moulds monthly or something like that?

I haven't done any similar treatment and I'm considering it at 35. Worried about the length since I heard it takes far longer for adults.


My understanding is they used to be fairly strict about using a set for 2 weeks before changing, but research has shown very little difference in outcomes down to 1 week.

There is some discomfort/soreness for the first few days after switching. My dentist's instructions were to wear each for at least a week and then switch to the next set whenever I wanted after that. Basically at whatever rate I was comfortable/could tolerate. I'm now at set 15 and have switched most of them after a week while a few I delayed a couple of days because I had something happening where I didn't want to worry about any discomfort.


My wife started with wearing one mould for 7 days and went down to one mould for 4 days near the end of the treatment (but the orthodontist knew we wanted to move and may have accelerated the schedule). She started wearing them at ~36. She says they told her it may be up to 2 weeks per mould before she started the treatment but that wasn't the case for her.

Do you know what type of plastic they use? I have a 3D printer and I wouldn't want to put 3D printed stuff on my mouth. It's way too easy to end up with microplastics

The article says the braces are 2 layers. The inner one is polyester and the outer one is polyurethane. They also don't currently 3d print the braces themselves but instead thermo form them on top of 3d printed molds.

It has been done before.. https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-3d-print-plastic-brac...

I wouldn't recommend it, mainly incase you mess up the teeth pressure and end up with a far higher dentist bill.


I think you'd end up with more plastic from just breathing in air and eating seafood than Invisalign, but I haven't done a study on that.

I went through these and am pretty happy with the results. Mostly to counter the crowding of the teeth that happens naturally as you age.

As you probably know you're going to have to wear retainers at night for the rest of your life if you want your teeth to stay where they landed.


I had really bad teeth as a kid, so had braces. Periodically I'd have to go in to get them tightened, and remember the worst whole head pain for a day. Just curious is switching Invisalign molds is a similar process?

No it’s like a mild pressure on some teeth for maybe a day or two but then doesn’t really feel like much

Nice! I hope no kid today has to go through that. It's easy to say it's worth it now that I'm 30 years removed and have straight teeth, but still have vivid memories of those awful days.

Apolitical Tech, is the goal we give machines that gets rid of humanity. That's the only way you make anything apolitical. Where there are two people, there is a struggle for a balance of power.


Where any two people are reasonable, I would posit that you have classical anarchy. Only a combination of unwillingness to cooperate and open hostility results in a power struggle. In my experience, the absence of preexisting tribal prejudice tends to generally have people start off favorably since people like to be liked.


Is this going to drive up the price of milk? Corn went up when we started making ethanol from it for gasoline.


Do you have any evidence for that? From what I understand, the corn to ethanol pipeline was created to keep corn prices from dropping below what the farm bill would pay for.


Yes that's why we want to work from home. We agree. Let us work from home and lot of that energy is reduced.


My guess is that this is going to be everything other technology that's democratized. You see a flood of low quality output because you have a lot of new non-technical devs. Some of these are good enough to crowd out some of the prexisting tools. The volume creates noise which also makes the good stuff harder to find. Eventually an ecosystem starts forming around these low hanging products which fill the gaps between pros and amatures (think of what happened to video editing and Apple). Eventually you have more people creating a better product in the long run. There is a bit of a feedback loop here as AI gets better, it makes the products it outputs better, which inturn can benefit AI as it learns from improvements.


That is so useful. Thank you for sharing your advice.


But we all went back to the office 5 days a week? Surely we are too valuable to replace!


I love how myopic the knee-jerk reactions to these pleas of modesty and decency tend to be.

"If AI replaces all jobs, none of us will have to work!" Alright, let's extrapolate a bit.

Society is currently organized around working to survive. AI suddenly replaces all work. How do people survive?

"Well everything will just be free now" Will it? Will the Capitalists who built these systems and replaced that labor now suddenly just give away product? Housing? Food? Care?

"Well, we'll just have to reconfigure society!" I mean, yeah, sure, obviously that'll have to happen. Will the Capitalists who empower the current systems of governance now cede said power when work is no longer available but still necessary to survive?

"Oh, well, people need to cooperate then, speak up for themselves, take action now." I don't disagree, and I think these sorts of Op-Eds, the "AI Doomers" making pleas for decency and civility in comments sections, the artisans demanding compensation for the theft of their work, and the myriad of folks who recognize the pace we're on will get people killed - nevermind the folks highlighting AI's disproportionate use in mass surveillance, genocide, and inflicting harm on "undesirables - are doing exactly that: speaking up, taking action, and attempting proactive reform.

"But they're hindering AI!" That's the fucking point you colossal numpty. The point is to slow it down so we have time to adapt.

Like...jesus, I expected more/better from folks who digest mathematical proofs and Arxiv papers for funsies, yet so many people here just cannot think critically about complex issues that involve people other than themselves.


> I expected more/better from folks who digest mathematical proofs and Arxiv papers for funsies

Hate to break it to you, but the real hard problems are in the humanities.


As someone who flunked out of psychology and squeaked by with a D in sociology in college, this hit me right in the bones.

I've come a long way since, but yeah, more of the humanities are sorely needed in tech.


Unfortunately there is no way to slow down technological progress. The plea for mercy in the face of rapid change is heard, and now it's time to adjust instead of asking for pause.

The Guardian opinion piece is sad to me, in that the view of humanity freed from work is seen as a problem. I prefer to think that we could adjust our economic goals from 'high employment' to more wholesome metrics about mental health and happiness.


Some people seem to think that the capital owning class is somehow going to grow a conscious and start sharing their wealth with the common folks. Let's be real that has never happened willingly only by force and bloodshed have the working people ever gotten anything.

Moreover it's possible to use military power to lock things down so hard that the people don't even have a chance to revolt. For example North Korea, or any other despotic regime in the world.

If you think the musks and zuckerbergs are going to ever give anyone anything think again!

The post scarcity post work future means complete poverty for the majority of the worlds people. (So in fact the complete opposite, lots of work and lots of scarcity)


> The point is to slow it down so we have time to adapt.

...and also to try to pry it loose from the fingers of the capitalists, so we have a hope of being able to share in the prosperity it brings.


I mean, also yes, but barring that I'd still like some time to avoid having the Civilizational Tesla slam into the concrete barrier on auto-drive. Y'know, just to try.


>Like...jesus, I expected more/better from folks who digest mathematical proofs and Arxiv papers for funsies, yet so many people here just cannot think critically about complex issues that involve people other than themselves.

People who LARP about digesting mathematical proofs and Arxiv papers for funsies.


> People who LARP about digesting mathematical proofs and Arxiv papers for funsies.

Damn, call the burn ward.


This exactly hits in on the head. You're trying create a forum absent of politics. In fact, you're just enabling one political view over another. This hides social issues and in the end comes back to undermine your pure "technical view". It's not apolitical, it's disassociation from reality.


Exactly. Declaring that there must be no discussion when confronted with situations in which one party is doing harm to others, is an implicit endorsement of the harms being perpetuated.


Thank you all in this thread! I couldn't have put it better. I cannot stand "no politics rules". Politics divides and it is personal. But it shouldn't be either of those. We should be attacking policy and not people. No politics rules just deny reality because software doesn't exist in a vacuum without policy and money. Heck most people want to use software to get money which is a product of policy.


HN isn't even absent of politics, just the front page is really.

Everything we do is political. When we are making software and publishing it, whether or a company or ourselves, for sale or for free, there are political implications to those actions.


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