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This looks really interesting. I'm curious to learn more about security around this project. There's a small section, but I wonder if there's more to be aware of like prompt injection


I'm happy you brought this up. I've been thinking about this and working on a plan to make it as solid as possible. For now, the best way would be to run each agent in a docker container (there is an example Dockerfile in the repo) so any destructive actions will be contained to the container.

However, this does not help if a person gives access to something like Google Calendar and a prompt tells the LLM to be destructive against that account.


> Pretty much every bill that has ever been put forward for needing an ID to vote has had a provision for free IDs.

Do you have a source for this because I have seen very few laws like this and runs counter to the overt intention of these laws


Look up the 25 states that already have voter ID laws, and corresponding free-id programs to avoid being considered a poll tax.


You can make it free but still require a person to travel to the county seat or some other distant location to get the ID. That requirement disproportionately hinders minority and poor voters. It’s also easy to “forget” their registrations.


Mark Zuckerberg is a joke of a CEO and we should not take him seriously as a leader


People said the same thing when he paid $1B for Instagram, for it to look like a crazy bargain a couple of months later.


People also said the same thing when he poured $70Bn into the Metaverse, and they were right.


comparing an acquihire of two people by analogy to a $70B investment is a bit egregrious... this event is pocket change to big tech.


Less than pocket change.

The money is irrelevant but it does show that Zuck is all out of ideas and desperate to keep up in the AI race.


If Moltbook becomes as big as Instagram I’m giving up on tech and moving to the mountains to raise goats.


Blackadder: Sir, I have been unable to replace the dictionary. I am therefore leaving immediately for Nepal, where I intend to live as a goat.


I am a goat.


They will have to acquire Lobstagram next


ROFL


It’ll be disappointing if Moltbook is somehow connected to the Metaverse or represents the best of what Metaverse at Facebook could ever be.


Who exactly said that about the Instagram acquisition?


Yeah I remember the discourse around that acquisition as being a really smart play to shore up the new frontier in social media as Facebook grew stale and uncool.


Tons of critical comments on HN at the time, for one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3817840. And most of the positive ones viewed it as a defensive measure rather than another Google + YouTube story.


I strongly disagree. I think he might be a joke as an individual, and I hate a lot about his impact on the world, but as a business leader, he's probably at the top 1% of all CEOs, which isn't saying that much, but it's very much not a joke if your metric is shareholder value.


What specifically about his impact on the world?


Conributing to the rise of attention farming, shoving stuff down people’s throats that they don’t want to see, etc


> which isn't saying that much

I mean I also think this move doesn’t make sense, but I always find these type of comments interesting. Do people think they could do better in Mark’s shoes?


Hear, hear. Add Scam Altman here too with hiring OpenClaw creator.


more like LLM garbage are rotting search engines from the inside out


Cost is not the first thing I care about in war, but I felt like this is a useful site for tracking the money we're lighting on fire in order to pursue this conflict

Civilian costs are real, unjustified, and incalculable.


That’s good. But it seems that the American anti-war discourse is slanted towards the cost of it. Maybe because the whole political spectrum can relate to “our tax dollars”, while (1) the cost for the military personell might not be a concern for all because it is all-volunteer, and (2) some Americans don’t care what happens to people in other countries.

Certainly: American progressives can use this to counter the “fiscally conservatives” (for domestic spending) who are also hawkish.


Remember: The opinions of people that either didn't vote or voted for Trump are all that really matter this November (unless the Democrats somehow lose voters, but the polls suggest that is unlikely).

Those are the votes that need to be won over to make any sort of difference during the second half of the Trump administration.


This makes it make way more sense. That is a huge amount of growth really fast. I've worked in those companies, it's really hard on the work culture and organization when things grow that quickly.

I think the potential for productivity is there with AI, but this size of a cut based on speculation made no sense. This is actually reasonable in this light and is probably for the best. I'll be curious to see if any employees, former or otherwise talk about it


What else exactly would you expect for a competitor to do when trying to take a rival's market share?


It is not sarcasm he is fleshing out this sentence earlier in the paragraph, "One of the pervasive new doctrines of Silicon Valley is that we’re in the early stages of a bifurcation event"


Right, but in the context of this article about these wretched enfents terribles, and later when we get to the rationalist termite colony, it's clearly something to chuckle at. Like, the fact that people think this "bifurcation event" idea is real is legitimately funny.


I see your point, but I don't think he's being sarcastic in this paragraph. To me this paragraph isn't sarcasm rather he's presently a serious factual recounting of the logic driving AI evangelists that he then undermines by contrasting it with the callousness, messiness, and illogic of the people pushing this narrative. (I too had a good chuckle at the termite description)

But this is veering into lit crit territory, so agree to disagree


You may have a point! And you've given me a great excuse to read this one again later this evening :)


This is a false equivalency if I just share torrented data I can go to prison. These companies downloaded and seeded copy righted material and then sold a product made from that data. If I a civilian did this I would face time in prison. If you think this is fine great, but what people are made about is the hypocrisy of the current moment.

As the title said "Techno-cynics are wounded techno-optimists"


> These companies downloaded and seeded copy righted material and then sold a product made from that data

but no company did this.


I'm not a lawyer and I don't follow this area super closely, but it sure sounds like they did?

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell...

> Facebook parent-company Meta is currently fighting a class action lawsuit alleging copyright infringement and unfair competition, among others, with regards to how it trained LLaMA. According to an X (formerly Twitter) post by vx-underground, court records reveal that the social media company used pirated torrents to download 81.7TB of data from shadow libraries including Anna’s Archive, Z-Library, and LibGen. It then used this information to train its AI models.

> Aside from those messages, documents also revealed that the company took steps so that its infrastructure wasn’t used in these downloading and seeding operations so that the activity wouldn’t be traced back to Meta. The court documents say that this constitutes evidence of Meta’s unlawful activity, which seems like it’s taking deliberate steps to circumvent copyright laws.


where did they seed?


My second quote includes,

> so that its infrastructure wasn’t used in these downloading and seeding operations so that the activity wouldn’t be traced back to Meta.

(emphasis added)

If you'd like it from another source using different words, https://masslawblog.com/copyright/copyright-ai-and-metas-tor... has

> According to the plaintiffs’ forensic analysis, Meta’s servers re-seeded the files back into the swarm, effectively redistributing mountains of pirated works.

and specifically talks about that being a problem.

I will grant that until/unless the cases are decided, this is allegedly, so we'll see.


OpenAI did, and this is so uncontroversial, I'm surprised you are saying it didn't happen.


can you share a source? if it is credible, i'll gladly update and say i was wrong.


OpenAI, Meta, and Anthropic all are known to have done this. It's even been exposed in company internal communications. Anthropic already settled their court case. You're an 11 month old account and I suspect you are some sort of bot or user meant to spread misinformation on the forum.


its a big allegation, can you share any source for OpenAI and Anthropic seeding torrents?


I can say for certain that Meta did it. They admitted to it. (https://www.wired.com/story/new-documents-unredacted-meta-co...)

Do you think that OpenAI or Anthropic should get a pass for using torrents if they used special BitTorrent clients that only leached? Do you think the RIAA would be cool with me if I did the same?


incorrect.

> There is no dispute that Meta torrented LibGen and Anna's Archive, but the parties dispute whether and to what extent Meta uploaded (via leeching or seeding) the data it torrented. A Meta engineer involved in the torrenting wrote a script to prevent seeding, but apparently not leeching. See Pls. MSJ at 13; id. Ex. 71 ¶¶ 16–17, 19; id. Ex. 67 at 3, 6–7, 13–16, 24–26; see also Meta MSJ Ex. 38 at 4–5. Therefore, say the plaintiffs, because BitTorrent's default settings allow for leeching, and because Meta did nothing to change those default settings, Meta must have reuploaded “at least some” of the data Meta downloaded via torrent. The plaintiffs assert further that Meta chose not to take any steps to prevent leeching because that would have slowed its download speeds. Meta responds that, even if it reuploaded some of what it downloaded, that doesn't mean it reuploaded any of the plaintiffs’ books. It also notes that leeching was not clearly an issue in the case until recently, and so it has not yet had a chance to fully develop evidence to address the plaintiffs’ assertions.

They did leeching but not seeding. https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-dis-crt-n-d-cal/1174228...

> If I a civilian did this I would face time in prison

no if you had leeched its is very unlikely that you would face time in prison.


> A Meta engineer involved in the torrenting wrote a script to prevent seeding, but apparently not leeching.

Wrong. Michael Clark testified under oath that they tried to minimize seeding and not that they prevented it entirely. His words were: "Bashlykov modified the config setting so that the smallest amount of seeding possible could occur" (https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.41...)

They could have used or written a client that was incapable of seeding but they didn't.

> no if you had leeched its is very unlikely that you would face time in prison.

Not the one who claimed that, but if I think it's fair to say that doing what they did, at that scale, could easily result in me (and most people) being bankrupted by fines and/or legal expenses.


No they could not have written a client incapable of seeding since private trackers ban such clients.

Do you not think an engineer who went to such efforts to disable seeding wouldn’t go the full extent? Why not?


So now you admit that they were seeding and not leeching?


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can you share a source for this please? i'll gladly fix my comment.


I'm really tired of hearing about college students "misbehaving" when with something like this the fish rots from the head. Children learn from the role models we elevate, and look who gets ahead in our society. Full of grifters who rarely if ever see any accountability for their misbehavior. Hold the powerful who are doing this accountable before we cause another manufactured social panic over the actions of teenagers


So the university administrations then right? Because my school got caught doing something unethical (a few months ago) and when the alumni complained, the administration started smearing and attacking the alumni personally. Now they are complaining about donations being down. Keep in mind this school has billions in endowments and most of their complains are that a few other schools have even bigger endowments.


Not to whom you're replying, but:

> Children learn from the role models we elevate

University administrations are not the role models we elevate. The behaviour of the administration that you're describing is for the same / similar reasons as what TSiege is saying.

Grifting turtles all the way down.


I'm really tired of false dichotomies where we're supposed to blame only one party and forgive the other.

Wrong is wrong. Doesn't matter if you're following role models or leaders. Everyone is responsible for their own decisions and actions. You don't have to pick just one group to blame and let everyone else off the hook.


... and many of those who have seen accountability have recently been pardoned.


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