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By same analogy, classical coal plants use millennia-old technology and that sounds even less ideal.


If I recall correctly, the dimensions of the early universe in these kinds of models depends on counting the degrees of freedom of the universe. At high energies, everything becomes an internal degree of freedom, hence the universe behaves two dimensional (space + time). At lower energies, more dof shift from internal to external and the universes behaves multidimensional.

It's a similar pov to 11D supergravity for example. Since 7dimensions are so small, the look like internal dof. The huge added advantage is that gravity simplifies below 4 dimensions and the incompatibilities between GR and quantummechanics disappear.

I'll try to use this bad analogy. Suppose you see a high speed train passing (high E), the people in train would seem to move at high speed aswell from left to right. If a slow train passes, you'll see they'll also move from the far side of the aisle to your side and perhaps from the upper level to the lower level. So you 1D high E train becomes 3D low E.


You're allowed to have a monopoly, you're not allowed to abuse it. If Apple ordered mp3hardware stores to stop selling other brands or Apple would raise it prizes, that would be abuse.


(a) The GP of my comment asserted that automatically installing Safari when you install iTunes was monopoly abuse. I think they at least have a point.

(b) Apple has about 2/3 of the paid music download market and 3/4 of the MP3 player market. They block other MP3 players from talking to iTunes, and other desktop software from talking to the iPod. I think that's probably abuse: they're using iTunes's dominant market position to protect the iPod's dominant market position, and vice versa.


Which is what Intel did to AMD.


If that's the only metric, then why was Microsoft censured for bundling IE with Windows?


They leveraged one monopoly to create another instead of trying to promote IE on its merits, and implemented IE with insider knowledge of how Windows works, and did various other things like coercing OEMs. Those are the things that got them in trouble, not simply having the OS monopoly.


That's technically not the reason why they were "censured", although what you describe was seen as part of abusing their monopoly.

Like the commenter above said, there is nothing illegal with being a monopoly.


"We postulate the density continuum defined by the rule R03/T02 = R3/T2" T is in seconds, R is in meters. So R3/T2 is in cubic meters per square seconds. A density is something per cubic meters. How exactly do 'square seconds' form a density in any meaningful way? Don't worry, I won't be holding my breath.

Postulating is al good fun but are you actually planning to do some physics with it? You're just saying Newton is evil and wrong but are not giving any reasons why his laws don't sufficicently confirm to reality. Neither are you explaining why your alternative fits reality better. Calling relativity an offshoot of Newtonian gravity is also not quite correct.

On the Verlinde article, I haven't read it. While it sounds interesting, it hinges on the definition of entropy. IMO, it might be a big circular argument.


Experimental or not, it has among the least accidents per KWh. 500 is a big enough number for some reasonable statistics.


This argument is popular, but I don't find it compelling. The dangers of most other energy sources are front loaded (let's ignore global warming for a moment), while the risks from nuclear power are spread over many many many years.


The carcinogens and particulates emitted by coal do all their damage immediately? They don't build up in people's lungs and cause cancer and other diseases many years later?

Surface coal mining doesn't leave many square miles of more or less uninhabitable wasteland that remains uninhabitable for many years in the future? Underground coal mines don't catch fire and render entire towns completely uninhabitable?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralia,_Pennsylvania

Many other energy sources have risks which are spread over many years. They just don't have that "omfg, scary scientific stuff I don't understand" factor.


... to say nothing of the stats for coal miners themselves; coal has killed tens of thousands of miners since 1950.


Does anybody know if coal and uranium/plutonium miners are included in those death-per-Kwh stats?


Sorry accidental downvote due to fiddly touch screen


I'm only talking about the miners.


"The carcinogens and particulates emitted by coal do all their damage immediately? They don't build up in people's lungs and cause cancer and other diseases many years later?"

There are orders of magnitude differences between this time span and radioactive material, right? The same is true of all your points, right?

I'm not anti nuclear, it may be preferable to coal, but it doesn't make the logic of those stats any better.


The half life of some plutonium radionuclides is spectacularly long. But because of the nature of nuclear power (to wit: turning very big atoms into smaller ones), the stuff that actually contaminates the environment in the worst accidents is more boring. Cesium-137, one of the more obnoxious contaminants, has a half life of 30 years.

Coal will do more damage than nuclear on this metric, too.


how long until spent fuel rods are safe?


So, your argument is that because it's harder to make judgements about the impact of fossil fuels, surely our judgement about nuclear power must be worse?


My argument is that I don't find those stats compelling. Nothing more, nothing less.


Isn't your analysis a victim of what Nassim Taleb calls the narrative fallacy? The fight is between "true" and "false", not "compelling" and "abstruse".


I don't understand what you're saying. I am skeptical that the conclusion drawn from the previous stats follows logically from the stats themselves.


How exactly are you quantifying severity? The worst case for a reactor is vastly worse than anything that can happen at other types of plant. The financial bill for cleaning up nuclear accidents is already in the billions of dollars, not counting Fukushima.


The financial bill for mitigating the damages being caused to the environment (not to mention foreign policy) by fossil fuels is dwarfing that of nuclear power.

A "severe" accident results in loss of life, or in square kilometers of land unexpectedly rendered unusable for habitation or agriculture.


The worst case scenario for global warming involves a change in climate so devastating that the earth may be able to feed little more than 100 million humans and may take hundreds of thousands of years to return to the point we are at now. It makes the dangers posed by nuclear energy seem fairly trivial.

I have yet to read any worst case scenarios for nuclear energy accidents which are anywhere comparable to this.


Oh nice point. People don't think of all the various costs.

Lots of people die in mining accidents and mining byproducts cause water pollution.

NO2 emissions are horrid for human health—I don't have death count numbers at hand.


Is it much worse than the Banqiao Dam disaster where an estimated 90-230k people died? What would happen if there was a catastrophic failure of the Hoover dam?

This is not to say nuclear failure isn't bad news, just that many large scale electricty generating schemes have a big downside and it's going to be a big ask to find 100% benign alternatives.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banqiao_Dam


Of course, catastrophic failure of a coal or wind power plant kills plant workers and maybe a few unlucky bystanders.

The Fukushima disaster, on the other hand, is poisoning square miles of land, air, sea, most likely the groundwater and probably hundreds of workers.

When you score risk, you multiply probability by impact. The power output and operational history of nuclear power indicates that the probability of failure is very low, but the impact is very high. (both in terms of severity and duration)


The Fukushima disaster, on the other hand, is poisoning square miles of land, air, sea, most likely the groundwater and probably hundreds of workers.

Should I say "citation needed" or just call it as FUD? I'd say that even with such a disaster at Fukushima, the impact has been very low. Even less so compared to the alternatives:

1) What are the levels of radiation that the workers were exposed to? Is that fatal or problematic for their health? How many people suffer from respiratory diseases related to fossil fuel burning?

2) What is more damaging to the environment: a nuclear plant or a coal mine? The amount of "poisoning" that happened will make the land inhabitable ever again? How much farm land would have to stop producing crops to give way to wind turbines?


I don't know how you can accuse me of making up FUD, while asserting that the impact is "very low".

Since the NY Times reported this morning that unprotected workers were burned by contaminated water suspected to be leaking from the #3 reactor, after ignoring warnings from personal radiation warning devices. I don't think its unreasonable to think that workers will suffer adverse health effects.

A safely operating nuclear power plant with an uninterrupted supply of fresh water and electricity has less impact to the surrounding area than your average coal mine. The problem is, as Fukushima aptly demonstrates, is that many of these facilities do not fail safe.

Again, think risk management. Probability vs. impact. You're letting your fondness for nuclear energy blind you from the obvious.


I think you are vastly underestimating the amount of damage coal power generation causes.

If nothing new and catastrophic happens in the near future (it looks like the worst is being contained, but if another earthquake and/or tsunami hits the plant right now, the damage will be massive), the most casualties caused by the Daichi nuclear plant will be in Germany.

This is because Angela Merkel caved to political pressure and ordered the seven oldest nuclear reactors in Germany shut down for at least 3 months. During those 3 months, the plants would have generated 17 TWh, which will now need to be supplied from other sources. The most likely candidate for most of it is coal, because there is currently plenty of underutilized capacity. Coal power releases lots of SO2 and NO2 to the atmosphere, which directly kills people. By current data, 1 TWh of coal power produced in the western world kills roughly 15 people -- so when Merkel signed that moratorium, she signed death warrants for 250 people. (This estimate is probably seriously low -- notably, the coal plants currently running are the newer and cleaner ones, and the capacity that will be brought up to replace them will be dirtier. Also, I have not counted CO2 emissions in any way.)

If every nuclear reactor in the world operated constantly at the level of leakage and operator casualties that are happening at Daichi, nuclear would still be preferable to coal. If there was a Chernobyl every year, nuclear would still be preferable to coal. The normal operation of a coal plant over it's lifetime is more costly in human lives than the worst case nuclear accident of a modern nuclear plant.

The problem is that people are not afraid of dying -- they are afraid of dying in disasters. Nuclear accidents are concentrated. The casualties and the environmental damage caused by coal are diffuse.


Didn't that same article suggest that what they were likely to end up with apart from an exposure to 180msv† was the equivalent of a bad sunburn?

It's not like we don't have any idea what radiation does, is it? It's among the better studied of the human industrial health hazards, right? A lot better understood than, say, endocrine disruptors?

Because coal kills 30-60 industry workers every year. (Down from ~1200/yr in the late '40s).

(Which, while more carcinogenic than the air in Chicago, is far less carcinogenic than failing to eat enough leafy green vegetables or a 4-times-a-week habit of eating red meat)


The industry worker casualties are flatly insignificant compared to the deaths caused by release of SO2 and NO2.

In the whole world, roughly a million people die every year due to the direct effects of coal power production. Most of that is because of the very dirty plants in use outside of the western world -- but even here, more than 50,000 people die every year because of coal.


While I'm also actually a fan of nuclear power, I'd like to point out that the land use profile of wind turbines doesn't actually preclude the land still producing crops. You lose a couple of percent of the actual acreage where the turbine is actually standing, but the rest of the acreage needs to stay clear for obvious reasons, and is still every bit as fertile.

Longer-term, you'd also have to factor in the benefit of being able to use electric tractors. (I don't think anybody actually does yet, mind you, but there's a clear advantage.)


Radiation is not a static. If a particle happens to decay at your detector when it is detecting, you'll get a massive spike. As the radiation changes between hours, places and the specific isotopes decaying, it's near impossible to get fast and accurate results for average dose recieved.


    If a particle happens to decay at your detector when it is detecting, you'll get a massive spike.
This is not true. The energy deposited by a single quantum of radiation is negligible, and at this point most of the activity is from long-lived isotopes and so shouldn't change from day to day.

I would guess that wind patterns are responsible for the variability in measurements, not nuclear physics.


The way they monitored people during the human plutonium injection trials[1] for the WW2 nuclear program was monitoring the radioactive content of the human excrement and urine, not sure how practical that is. They injected people that had terminal illnesses and short life expectancies with ~5 micrograms of plutonium(and other elements) to ascertain the effects, so the dangers to nuclear scientists working on the program would be known. The study didn't find much in the way of damage (i.e not fatal or cancerous) to those studied, but the isotope injected seems to be of high importance as some isotopes are more radioactive than others.

[1]http://inpp.ohiou.edu/~massey/pdf/10_human_Pu.pdf


I would think one decaying event is one blip, and higher readings indicate more decaying events. A single particle can not decay very often and hence can not result in a spike.


Not only are the units arbitrary, the forecast never goes above "1".


It almost certainly didn't went critical. Spent fuel doesn't have enough U-235 for criticality. Moreover steam (boiling water) isn't a very good neutron moderator. I can't do the calculations but I seriously doubt it. Should the fuel have gone critical, a lot more would have happened than a fire. The damage would make the site comparable to Chernobyl.



White smoke is not a sign of criticality...



This may actually be true. Uranium decays into radioactive radon sooner or later. Radon is a gas so it escapes the earth. People breathe the stuff and inside the lungs it decays into polonium-210 sooner or later. By mining the uranium and sticking it into a reactor, the radon is removed from the atmosphere. Wether or not this benefit outweighs the deaths from Chernobyl and others is a very good (and still open) question.

By looking at the statistics however, switching all coal plants to nuclear reactor would save lives (mostly miners)


Forget wikipedia and go the site of the World Health Organisation. http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/2006/9241594179_eng.pd... http://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/chernobyl/chernobyl_di...

The reports range from 4000 extra cancer deaths (of 100 000 deaths) to 10 000 deaths out of a million. While 10000 isn't small, it represents a 1% increase in cancer related deaths. Stricter smoking laws can save more people than a nuclear stop.


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