Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submit | jankey's commentslogin

I guess you're right, looks like she's 'only' got an MBA: https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?...


Well, they could, as Zuck has ~ 60% of voting rights.


Their stock just took a 20% dive because their main cash flow engine up to this point, the FB app, is showing stagnating engagement. Unless they want to take even great stock hits, which would lead to: greater difficulty to hire, greater difficulty to finance, more employee turnover, decreased ability to fight government regulation, et cetera, then they can't let this investment be wasted.


The acquisition price is a sunk cost. They still have the asset, and I agree its important for them to not waste it.


Sure, but it is analogous to what investors are valuing it with regards to their stock for.


Zuck paid $19 billion for it and needs some form of return on that investment? You can't just lose $16,000,000,000 in personal wealth in a day and come up with a plan that maxes out at ~$1 billion a year in revenue.


Better something than nothing?

A bonus is to combat competition like Snapchat to Instagram by having a solid alternative.


[ citation needed ]

Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_secto..., when adding up a couple of European countries I'd say it's third behind the China and the US.


Emphasis "when signed in".


You don't need to sign in. Everybody knows everything about you. Whether it's through tracking cookies, or through Google Analytics, or through device fingerprinting.

Google quoting privacy concerns is especially disingenuous, as they can track you and your activities across multiple devices.


Dummy load looks like this: http://www.simplexdirect.com/images/pic-l-atlasTrailer.jpg It's "only" a megawatt but there are bigger ones as well.

Basically a big hairdryer. :-)


Huge DCs like Amazons and ours at Google are very efficient, cooling uses at most 10% of total power. So cranking up this wouldn't help. Nor wouldn't it be possible usual anyway, as these are typically using evaporation cooling, which can't really be cranked up like traditional compression cooling. And keeping a huge tank and heater ready would introduce another point of failure. The easiest is just to have your servers do some heavy calculations.


Compared to heating a water tank, it would be a much more responsible use of power to fire up some folding@home images.

Perhaps a more financially responsible solution would be to spin up a bunch of instances that mine some sort of cryptocurrency. I doubt it'd cover electricity costs, but it could offset it some.


It's not a lot, but there are a bunch of pictures on google.com/about/datacenters, including a 'street view' inside our DC in North Carolina.

There are also a bunch of papers on the network architecture, https://research.google.com/pubs/Networking.html .

But yes, a lot is closed for the obvious reason that this is really core to the business Google is running.

(I'm a datacenter engineer at Google)


Not sure where you get this from, I'm not in an Android team, but from what I can see the top offered workstation one can get at Google has 64 GB of RAM.


I would assume that there was a special policy in place for people working on teams with a requirement for that amount of RAM.

I interned on Chrome in 2013, and at the time all Chrome engineers got a computer with an SSD (which I was told wasn't standard at the time), since they had to build Chrome on their desktops (whereas most other engineers could use Google's distributed build system).


The Android team used to get access to higher specced machines than the standard engineer, because building Android in its entirety took a long time.

At the time you could see them on stuff but could only apply if on one of the approved teams. Not sure if that's still the case.


64 seems a bit low, that's what I need for my hobbyist work. Granted, it doesn't take 64GiB of directly-allocated RAM to link Chrome (anymore), but there's almost no amount of page cache that would not be worthwhile if you have the whole AOSP on a box.


What kind of hobbies do you have? Lol


Sure, you can review and delete everything here: https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity?restrict=vaa&utm_so...

(I work for Google)


Right. opt-out vs opt-in. http://danariely.com/2008/05/05/3-main-lessons-of-psychology

PS. Kindly explain why Google Maps really wants to stalk my location even when not using it actively. It's been forced down Android users a few years ago via a "Yes/Not now" dark pattern, it's coming on iPhone under the guise of "share location with your friends".

PS2. Kindly explain why anyone would ever trust Google to not expand their data acquisition behavior once the sensors are in place. For example, GPS, but always on mics and cameras in the future.


explain why Google Maps really wants to stalk my location even when not using it actively

Turn by turn navigation. It's called out as a use-case for this on the Apple docs for this service. https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Us...

(I don't need or use that; so I turned it off)


Did you knew Chromecast refuses to register in your network unless Google has your exact GPS coordinates?

Try setting up one from a phone with GPS turned off and see what happens (assuming the wifi AP you are using is not already in their location mapping database)


The obvious answer is to target location based features in Google Now and ads.


Sure, but is it actually deleted? Or is this still stored somewhere in Google ready to be retrieved if needed?


It's actually deleted, though it can take some time for deletions to propagate through various Google systems and backups - we can't violate the speed of light and​ we wouldn't want a bug in the deletion code to result in a catastrophic loss of things users wanted us to keep.


But what if my data has already been used somehow. For example to train next generation speech recognition AI.

What will happen to that information?


Note that if you opt out of Google keeping this history, I believe Google still keeps all your voice recordings, you just lose the ability to review and "delete" them, and they aren't tied to your account anymore.

This is one of the crazier notions I've seen in a privacy dark pattern: "Let us track you or we'll keep your data forever".


Source?


Google.

"When Voice & Audio Activity is off, voice inputs won't be saved to your Google Account, even if you're signed in. Instead, they may only be saved using anonymous identifiers."

https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/6030020?p=accoun...

Ergo, Google is going to collect your voice data no matter what you do, the only question is whether or not it's connected to your account, where you can manually go in and delete it.


So the question now is, if you opt in and later delete your data, does the data actually get deleted, or just disconnected from your account and left only with "anonymous identifiers"?


That is the big question.

I actually had this argument out with a former Googler who expressed with incredible strength how importantly Google addressed deletion of data users said to delete. And so his argument was that if you deleted it from your history, it'd be deleted, but if you turned off your history, you'd have no way of telling them to delete it.


jankey, if Google had any respect for my privacy this information would never have left my phone in the first place.


If they'd really want to do that, Alphabet has > $90B in cash.


Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: