I don’t know what’s going on here but it is super funny to link to [2] and only quote “hi jerks”
> nick has been telling people about the grand old time you two had at limor’s expense, my expense, and others. he says you sat around making memes about us, registering domains, the whole thing.
> you removed [limor’s] name on code. you scraped our site until it crashed and then emailed to get unblocked so your team could keep using our guides. you squatted on the adafruit name for usb stuff. that’s just a sample of the greatest hits. can you "compete" without doing this? did it even work?
Yes, the broader context of that email chain is a broad unloading of a 'greatest hits' of a decade of grievances against SparkFun (the meme site mentioned was made in 2017, by an employee who no longer works there).
I quoted the lines that seemed to most obviously tip that particular email exchange beyond a measured harassment report (as originally implied), crossing the line into what could be reasonably considered 'unappropriately aggressive behavior' (to quote the SparkFun CoC).
I would agree that the ex-employee's 'Sincerely, Fuck Off' was similarly aggressive, but less relevant since he's no longer an employee anyway, and it seemed pretty clear that he was the one being subject to targeted harassment in this instance (having accusations being forwarded to his partner's employer) rather than the other way around.
Not to split hairs here but it doesn’t look like he said it was a measured harassment report. Having worked customer service and HR, it’s somewhat common for people reporting harassment to be irate or even downright rude, especially when they feel that they’re being ignored.
The idea that calling someone a jerk is grounds for a company to ignore a serious complaint is, paradoxically, what some people describe as their reason for being rude.
Anyway I don’t know what’s going on here but “Sparkfun has ceased its business relationship with Adafruit because a guy called us jerks in a complaint about our CEO” would be hilarious
> it doesn’t look like he said it was a measured harassment report.
If splitting hairs, he originally framed the response as 'kill the messenger', implying there was no other reason for them be offended by it, misleading at least.
> Anyway I don’t know what’s going on here but “Sparkfun has ceased its business relationship with Adafruit because a guy called us jerks in a complaint about our CEO” would be hilarious
I agree, in isolation- it seems reasonable to end a business relationship with any rude or hostile partner regardless, but hiding such a decision behind a CoC rationale just for being called jerks would indeed border on 'hilarious'.
In this case, the claim is that the note was also sent to the ex-employee's partner's current employer, which enters less-hilarious territory towards borderline harassment, not a private HR complaint but public defamation.
Taken as one instance of a broader, ongoing pattern of targeted harassment of several individuals, the combined set of public complaints make the CoC reference not at all amusing.
> Taken as one instance of a broader, ongoing pattern of targeted harassment of several individuals, the combined set of public complaints make the CoC reference not at all amusing.
Having read more about all of this it sort of just seems like two dudes that hate each other.
Like for example the Adafruit guy’s complaint that the Sparkfun guy was presently posting about the domain and meme thing was objectively correct, Sparkfun guy posted a screenshot of it in his thread about the Adafruit guy (it stood out because the ‘Gen X hackers want to be Spider Jerusalem’ bit made me laugh out loud. Amazing burn, no notes)
Where I come from, calling the employer of a spouse of the person you're beefing with is such a low down scumbag move, nobody would be particularly surprised if it culminated in a hot blooded murder. Anybody who engages in tactics like that is scum. If both sides of a dispute act like that, I hope they both succeed in destroying each other.
I am fully aware of this, as I attended a meetup at the YC office in Cambridge in 2006 where I met Alexis and Steve, but thank you for the irrelevant comment!
I’m assuming you’re not aware of Reddit‘s history of “controversial” communities. I don’t recall who was CEO of Reddit in 2011, but whoever it was did not intervene to shut down r/jailbait (or r/creepshots), despite an enormous number of users asking for it, until it was a matter of national news. For quite a while before the Anderson Cooper segment Reddit was a pretty popular place for people to post pictures of underage girls.
Wait you’re fully aware of Reddit’s history as a CSAM hub? And that information is irrelevant to mention in response to your request that we don’t share sites that boost CSAM on the Y Combinator Forums? Because you went to a meetup once?
???
I’m 100% all for not sharing the richest man in the world’s paid CSAM generation website but lmao at uh, getting snippy about somebody bringing up a directly related issue because it kind of tangentially sort of might involve somebody that you meant once. I think that sort of system in the industry is why we still see links to the richest man in the world’s paid CSAM generation website on the Y Combinator Forums.
It is like “No CSAM sites not ran by my buds should be on this darn webpage!!!” but like the mods here share your values, they’ve just apparently got one more bud than you do
> Wait you’re fully aware of Reddit’s history as a CSAM hub
Yes.
> And that information is irrelevant to mention in response to your request that we don’t share sites that boost CSAM on the Y Combinator Forums? Because you went to a meetup once?
No. Please read what I wrote again, as you seem to be confused and claiming I said things that I did not say.
> Dear mods and admins, could we please get twitter links off the site? It is shameful that HN is supporting a site that produces and condones CSAM by driving more traffic to it.
> I am fully aware of this, as I attended a meetup at the YC office in Cambridge in 2006 where I met Alexis and Steve, but thank you for the irrelevant comment!
> I am fully aware of this historical information, thanks.
Sorry I misunderstood! You were aware of Reddit being a CSAM hub back in 2011 and were asking folks not to link to that site back in the day despite having been to a meetup! That is why you brought up having met Alexis and Steve completely unprompted. You could have just linked to your posts asking HN not to link to Reddit in 2009-2011.
Otherwise if I am wrong about that, can you clarify what exactly you meant to communicate by saying “I know that Reddit was a CSAM hub” and “I’ve met Alexis and Steve” in response to my post? Why did you bring them up specifically by name? How does that make my comment about the culture on HN irrelevant despite the fact that there isn’t anything that we disagree about?
Like you said (to paraphrase for brevity) “this twitter CSAM shit is bad and shouldn’t be on HN” and I said “this sort of complaint has been a thing about HN for a long time” and then you said “Yes, I know that. It is irrelevant. I have met Alexis and Steve”
What on earth is happening in this conversation. You agreed with me, got snippy, name dropped Alexis and Steve, agreed with me again, and then said I didn’t read what you wrote
Wait by “nothing” do you mean that there is no cause for the disease that the link you posted says has an unknown cause, or “nothing” do you mean that they don’t actually have anything wrong with them but you’re sharing a neat link about a disease that has an unknown cause?
I normally wouldn’t question an hour old throwaway that knows many neurologists, but what exactly are you applying the word “nothing” to here? You started with one statement, said that you don’t like a guy, and then wrote another statement that negates your first statement.
Like by “nothing” do you mean “I personally do not know, so my knowledge of what is causing this is nothing, but I want to share that I don’t like that one doctor”?
> Additionally, landlords don't benefit from the higher prices (ie. market rate rent) either, since that also pushes house prices up.
I like this thinking. If you buy a house on the cheap and rent spikes and your profit increases dramatically, you’re not benefiting because somebody will kick in your front door and force you to buy a crazy expensive house.
Yeah they should make a laptop where you can choose what display you want to use, and which keyboard and mouse for that matter. It could be made cheaper by ditching the screen and keyboard, and heck I wouldn’t even mind if it were a bit bigger or heavier since it’ll just sit on or under my desk. That sort of laptop would be amazing.
No, my ideal laptop doesn’t have a keyboard. I’m imagining like a laptop where everything other than the cpu/gpu/ram/basic storage/nic are addressed by peripherals and I can just have one that sits in my office and I plug stuff into it.
Now that I think of it, I’d also like laptops that come in standardized sizes so I could stack them on shelves and mostly just interact with them through ssh/terminal. I could imagine those laptops being super popular for compute/storage
Pretty bold of somebody who’s never been murdered to post that getting murdered isn’t a bother. It seems, to me, that if somebody tried to murder me it would bother me, and if they succeeded it would bother quite a few people
*As investors, we do not know what this phrase means. Nevertheless it will be the guiding principle for our next round of funds
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