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EU should distant itself from USA and Israel, otherwise they will become a puppet state. Just like how Israel is controlling US narratives.

Still amazed why nobody is charged despite so many evidence.

Mossad is really controlling USA.


Evidence such as?

There's a more obvious explanation.

Israel is the biggest thread for the region and the way of living in Europe.

Are you claiming Israel threatens to eradicate no-go zones, Pakistani, rape groomers, and the like?

Or are you perhaps being one-sided here and not looking at the horror of us all?


Violence aside, one group (The West) has been responsible for nearly all standard of living, technology and medical breakthroughs and the other has mostly been stuck in some 1800s machismo culture. Im not saying the west or israel are innocent of atrocities, but if you were to take out graph paper and and create a ration of lives of (death or suffering) to (lives/quality extended). One team absolutely MOPS the other.

Murder probably isnt the best way, but the idea that either side is clearly evil or the villain is far off.


Why are you including Israel in “the west”? What great contributions have come out of Israel? Seems to me, mostly spyware and mass dragnets.

Except for some great goa trance artists, I can’t think of much.


Man, a simple google would help. Lets start with the USB flash drive, Iron Dome, PillCam. The drip irrigation technology alone has transformed arrid farming. Factor in Mobileye, ICQ, Check Point's firewall and Waze and this is legit just in the last decade and half.

“Drip irrigation “ is hardly an Israeli invention.

The rest are just very minor software part of the dragnet? Who in their right mind would use check point today.

Everything developed by Israel is tainted and jacked into the Israeli surveillance state.


Ok, whats your favorite Jordanian or Lebanese invention of the last 15 years? How about Palestinian movie?

Soon USA will follow. Using arguments like child safety, terrorists and not supporting Israel.

Maybe there will be some reasonable limitations on this. Say only allowing it with in 2500km of the borders. Everything inside that is fair game for immigration officals.

But what do you think about Hongkong? Do the authorities there have valid reasons to do this? Any advices for Hongkong people? for visitors to Hongkong?

Israel and USA provoked the destruction of so many people, just like Russia. Purest for of evil, nothing can be done against such an evil force.

Israel did the same in Netherlands with the biggest telecom KPN.

And huawei too?

Israel and Trumps effort to distract from Epstein files are the domination drive behind this war.

Europe got lured from crisis to crisis by Israel and USA. Energy crisis, refugee crisis.

Stop spreading nonsense. Israel is behind all this. Only ones to blames. Whatever Iran does is justified.

Taking into account that Iran's own oil facilities had been bombed earlier this week and that they had threatened to retaliate if this happens, what Iran does seems indeed fair play.

Before South Pars Iran bombed:

    Ras Laffan LNG complex in Qatar
    Ras Tanura oil refinery in Saudi
    drone attacks on Saudi oil fields
    Ruwais refinery in Abu Dhabi
    Shah gas field in Abu Dhabi
    port of Fujairah
    Bapco oil refinery in Bahrain

Agreed. I don't know whether to call it hypocrisy, delusion, bullshit, etc, but it is reidiculous that when Iran fights back the media and politicians act as if Iran started all this.

Example: the UK got a pat on the back for initially saying no to the US using their territory to launch bombing raids, and then later allowed it for "defensive" missions.

"Defensive"!?!

I'll punch you in the face, you punch me back, then when I punch you again I am only defending myself.


100%. And I say this as a very pro-western person. Countries have the right to retaliate. Iran is using what little leverage they have.

Of course they do, which is why Israel's retaliation was their prerogative too.

That being said, Hacker News isn't the place for politics so please can everyone go back to reddit if you're feeling emotional. Looking at you, juliusceasar.


Just to be sure we have your position right: Are you characterizing what Israel did as a retaliation? What specifically were they retaliating against?


Oh, stow it. Claim on you by the body politic doesn't end because you shove your fingers in your ears, or cover your eyes and go "Not listening! I see nothing!" Welcome to the real world, where grocery and fuel prices will be spiking because one particular group of morons decided to indulge in Nintendo warfare today. If you can't grow up enough to realize that your inaction and inattention drives these people's ability to get away with these things, you are part of the problem. Your luxury to abstain from the body politic is founded on the body politic not being suicidally aligned.

Is a tech forum the place to talk about it? Is there any point at all to segregate communities by topic if politics end up taking over anyway?

My point is that this is not the forum for it, salawat. There are plenty of places where you can feel better by getting angry at people who support a different political sports team, but this isn't it.

Perhaps you would do well to move your binary thought system to a ternary thought system, and realise that people can decide not to support either side of a political or ideological divide.

If you belong to the "if you're not with me, you're against me" then my friend, I'm afraid, you are the problem. You are part of the problem with the world going backwards. You are part of the reason why we don't have peace.


USA and Israel started it. USA does not get to blame the smaller country for a war its leadership wanted.

Second, no, "whatever Ira. Does is justified' is too much a blaket allowance. The Iranian regime does not get absolytion for everythijg just because it is in an illegal war USA started. They are plenty awful on their own.

But yes, similar Iranian infrastructure is targetted by USA and Israel. Not by Quatar.


USA leadership is completely compromised, both democrats and republicans. They're all paid by AIPAC.

And who has the videotape recordings taken by Epstein?

Seems to me it’s not very far fetched to believe it’s in the hands of the worlds most premiere spy agency, Mossad, who only needs to hint at revealing this compromising information to get what they want from American leadership. Plus of course their advanced offensive cyber attack capabilities.

Carrot & Stick.


> USA and Israel started it.

started current operation: yes. But its Iran who denies Israel right for existence, and funds/supports multiple forces with the same views.

Such confrontation would happen anyway, the question would it happen now, or in 5 years when Iran potentially obtain nuclear weapons.


There are two foundational events that set this conflict in motion:

1). The violent establishment of a settler ethnostate in a Muslim region in 1947 2). The deposition of the Shah in 1953

If you're going to talk about causes you might as well start there.


Muslims grabbed land by force thousand years ago, while killed every one who disagreed.

History is full of violence, I am talking about current time. It is current Iran's choice to not accept Israel existence, in contrast to many other Arabic countries who normalized relationships.


Constantly sending missiles and drones towards civilian buildings in Dubai and Doha is morally bankrupt and unjustifiable. It doesn't matter who UAE & Qatar are aligned with, they were at least a friend to Iran for many years.

At least they’re not bonbing girls schools.

I bet USA and Israel has caused more civilian deaths in this conflict than Iran.


Is what Israel does in Gaza morally bankrupt and unjustifiable?

This isn't whataboutism because I'm not trying to negate your point. Instead, I'm just curious if you apply the same standard to Israel/Gaza or if you think that in that case killing innocent people is justified.


Iran is fighting against ring of Epstein friends.


Iran allows girls to be married off at 8 years and 9 months with parental approval and 13 years without parental approval. Sex is allowed once married regardless of age.

Maybe they should start dealing with this in their own country before fighting against it in other places.


Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years


I want American pedos to be brought to justice but let's not forget, in Iran it's legal to marry children so they are actually even worse on this issue.


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