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Their CDN has a minimum $1 charge.

I was testing IPv6 origin support (they don’t support it), and they billed me $2 for a couple of test requests. I was testing at the end of the month.

With other providers, this would have cost only a few cents.


That sounds concerning but I wouldn't use other providers anyway which can decide to charge me 5-6 figures due to user error or hacked account.

Not to mention their network is over used/congested as well. there are constant IPv4 issues and IPv6 goes down for several days.

One of my client had dedicated servers in contabo and had to move to OVH because of it.


Most low-end providers will just keep using old hardware for longer.

IPv4 shortages didn’t kill it, and I don’t think this will either.


For providers like us, we have to lease IPv4. We came long after IPv4 was already depleted. IPv4 prices did go down. Despite that, the $15/year 128MB BuyVM plan is long-gone.

But for a new provider like us, we'd have to spend more than an established player like BuyVM or RackNerd who bought most of their servers pre-AI-boom.


Have you tried doing ipv6-only plans?

Vultr has one that's $2.5/month v6 only. Probably good if you just need something tiny to run some automation.

What are the issues faced by v6-only hosts and are there countries where it is a non-issue?

GitHub is the main problem currently. Some software like composer does not work due to this.

https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/10539

For countries, if you meaning connecting to VPS, lot of countries have good IPv6 connectivity now. For me both ISPs I use have native v6. This will differ from person to person.

https://www.aelius.com/njh/google-ipv6/


It is inconcievably stupid that github, run by a massive tech company like Microsoft, has not migrated to ipv6. They're single-handedly holding back adoption.

The massivest companies are the stupidest. Do what you can to avoid all Microsoft products.

My theory: Microsoft is extremely interested in tracking you via your IPv4.


I doubt "extremely interested" is the reason.

There may indeed be some tracking that MS does via IPv4, but it's not a good way to do it.

I suspect any such tracking is essentially just some cruft that snuck in (either their own or legislative) in the early 2000s, and nobody thinks it's their problem to make go away.

That said, that IPv4 is a poor way to do tracking doesn't guarantee there's no manager demanding it: any corporation eventually gets someone with no technical knowledge demanding bad solutions.


Yeah, most services will be behind a CDN or firewall service, anyway.

or just offer v4 HTTPS LB bundled. Never understood why more places didn't do this.

Responsibility and controls. If the host/dc assigns a dedicated addresses the contract can be essentially "the customer assumes all liability behind traffic". With NAT/LB you need at the very least quite robust, evidence-grade monitoring mechanisms tagging all traffic and keeping historical data. In practice, some for of active abuse prevention is required, otherwise huge chunk of your address space is going to effectively linger in blacklist limbo.

That is, if being unreachable below "presentation layer" is acceptable in the first place, but I guess the question kind of presupposes this.


Exactly this. The old hardware from a year ago is fine as the typical use-case for a VPS didn't change.

There is Asahi Linux project for Apple Silicon Macs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux


It's not really viable

Some info from NASA optical communication page.

"Even Earth’s atmosphere interferes with optical communications. Clouds and mist can interrupt a laser. A solution to this is building multiple ground stations, which are telescopes on Earth that receive infrared waves. If it’s cloudy at one station, the waves can be redirected to a different ground station. With more ground stations, the network can be more flexible during bad weather. SCaN is also investigating multiple approaches, like Delay/Disruption Tolerant Networking and satellite arrays to help deal with challenges derived from atmospheric means."

https://www.nasa.gov/technology/space-comms/optical-communic...

Some more info on Optical Communications for Satellites: https://www.kiss.caltech.edu/workshops/optcomm/presentations...


Seems like reusing some of Star Wars research could be used as well where the beam is constantly adjusted with independent mirrors to keep the beam coherent through the atmosphere. Also learned was the beam itself starts to distort the atmosphere requiring even more adjustments.

Wouldn't the angle of the offset matter? It seems like it would make scattering worse to be off-axis by too far.

Which then also means you have to build ground stations in this range yet far enough apart that they experience different weather yet close enough that you can redundantly link all the sites.

Aside from government and massive telecommunications companies who would this serve?


???

It's just really cool sci-fi tech that I want to see used in something other than DLP chips!

JWST and other observatories with segmented primary mirrors kind of use the segment alignment one time to get the correct alignment once. Then there is Adaptive Optics. It's kind of the opposite direction though as they are using a laser to detect the distortion so it can be compensated in the image. From learning about SDI when I was a kid/teen, it's just always been about controlling the laser itself in my mind.


The JWST does not have to deal with atmosphere or weather and uses a giant sun shield to keep the internal temperature stable so these alignments have the longevity you need to make the platform work.

Yes, maybe my comment wasn't clear if you're thinking I thought JWST was using AO. It used segment control for alignment once.

>the beam itself starts to distort the atmosphere requiring even more adjustments.

may be something like this - a high-power impulse making a channel through whatever clouds, mist, dust and after that information carrying ray/impulse through the channel, rinse and repeat


Multiple ground stations are a fine solution for backhaul, but not most end-user use cases.

That 6 Tbps optical link is the max per MEO satellite and they are only planning 128 of those. I imagine the end users of that are pretty much only backhaul customers, individual households/businesses would still need RF or wireline service.

So it'll never work in Scotland.

9600 Baud...

CONNECT 9600

I am also looking for a stripe atlas alternative.

Having a EU based one will be great.

previous: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25006716


Germany is your problem. If you’re open to looking outside Germany, there are many options. You can open a U.K. company same day, an Estonian company with e-residency in a couple of days. Germany is uniquely nightmarish.

That's not good advice . If he lives in Germany he should incorporate a German company otherwise he will run into big Issues .

The problem isn’t incorporation - it’s having accountants in your jurisdiction familiar with the structure. You can incorporate in the UK for £50 instantly but you might have trouble finding an accountant in Italy that is willing to sort your accounts out.

It's not EU wide but in France we have Legalplace (https://www.legalplace.fr/) to create a company online quickly.

It's never an good idea especially in an EU country to incorporate outside your personal jurisdiction especially as single founder.

the person responsible for this mess was poached by meta a month ago.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46191194


I dont think this works.

I just tested on Chrome Android via remote inspect using developer tools. It loaded the image even when the image was below the fold.


likewise - it always loads the image up front.


Are you sure? I can see the image loading much later on mobile: https://pagegym.com/compare/uu5641qndi/4d3ifzdbxk


>One characteristic of v4 is it's somewhat reasonable to do a straight forward block on a range of addresses to shut down access. This is still somewhat possible with v6, but harder as there's simply a much larger portion of ip addresses that can be all over the place. It's theoretically a lot easier for anyone that wants to bypass a simple filter to grab a new public IP address.

no its not, its easier to block IPv6 ranges than IPv4 ones.

if someone want be block my ISP, they only need a single /32 rule with v6.


Maybe with the upcoming IP address certificates, we can use IP addresses again. I remember using IP addresses to access some sites in the past.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44379034


Using a wildcard DNS service, you can already do this.

https://sslip.io/ for instance.


Evenn though its onelayer down - the same tactics that were used to suspend/takeover domains would still apply , at the end of the day one still has to get the IPv4/IPv6 address from someone(who can be coerced).


When Trump pressures RIPE NCC or APNIC to deregister an IP address block, that's the end of the internet as we know it, and the return to national networks with very limited interconnection. Even Russia still has address registrations despite being sanctioned.

Alternatively they pressure USA ISPs to block the addresses. That's already regularly done but it probably won't be enough to satisfy the extortion industrial complex which is out for blood.


> When Trump pressures RIPE NCC or APNIC to deregister an IP address block

sed "/Trump/US-Govt/g"

Why do people here always casually single out Trump? He's not an outlier, it's just how US foreign policy has worked for centuries.


"Not an outlier"

A quick look at the last few administrations is all anyone needs to see how this one interprets the powers and duties that come with the office.

One of my favorite phrases coined during the last Trump administration was something like, "not just wrong, but wrong beyond normal parameters." It basically meant exactly what we are discussing here; namely, being an outlier of some sort.


I specifically mentioned foreign policy. There, I don't remember a single US government that was not a net negative for the rest of the world (Israel excluded).


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