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So what? This news reads to the rest of the world as.. Europeans squabbling between each other as to who amongst them first visited a continent they'd previously not known about, already brimming with other populations of humans. End of story. It's 2021 folks, no one cares about eurocentric land grab claims.


Couldn’t you say that about any piece of history you’re not interested in? This comment is needlessly dismissive.


It truly is bizarre. The amount of effort and research into this very difficult to answer, and ultimately not all that useful, question is insane. Even the anthropologists arguing about the Polynesian sailors (~1200AD), the Chinese boats(~1421AD), or even the African sailors (~400AD). The overall point is somewhat useful. We know there's clearly been points of contact between all sorts of people from Afroeurasia and the Americas. But this inane squabbling over who was technically first is honestly kinda cringey


Again, this is another instance of the descending world's needless doom and gloom portrayal of nations of the ascending world. India's human scale is enormous, while the case rates have been increasing at an alarming rate, India has the pharmaceutical infrastructure to deploy vaccines in billions scale. The Serum institute of india has been the world's largest producer of vaccines and has selflessly helped out countries like brazil during their worst times.

All this when some nations have imposed strict restrictions on the export of raw materials for producing vaccines, their own infra crumbling, selfishly procuring 10x the number of vaccines than necessary etc.,

Ok. We get it, Sure.


Yes. This is an important point to note. USA is sitting on 30M pile of AstraZeneca vaccine which is not even approved in USA. They could have simply sold it to India.

USA is also stockpiling, glass, containers and other raw material which USA is not technically short of.

On top of this German Chancellor yesterday said that "we allowed India to become a pharma powerhouse but now we have to rethink". This is because India is producing cheaper vaccine.


> On top of this German Chancellor yesterday said that "we allowed India to become a pharma powerhouse but now we have to rethink". This is because India is producing cheaper vaccine.

They are worried the surge in India will delay shipments to the EU. The EU wants cheaper vaccines! That's why they took so long to negotiate the contracts. They thought a vaccine wouldn't be produced in record time and because of that they felt they had a lot of time to negotiate.

> “We now have a situation with India where, in connection with the emergency situation of the pandemic, we are worried whether the pharmaceutical products will still come to us.” [0]

[0] https://www.opindia.com/2021/04/angela-merkel-laments-they-a...


>India has the pharmaceutical infrastructure to deploy vaccines in billions scale

Well yeah eventually but that's mostly not going to be in time for the present wave.


Interesting, how did it just end up in the british library? Why is there an aspect of romanticization to the fact that it is in a british library? Why isn't it in a library in indonesia? Let me guess..if it were not for the british having looted it with the express purpose of "preservation", the world would not have come to know about this.


You're right of course and I would have made the same point, but to play british advocate for a second; the javanese might not have had a good place to store it when it was stolen.

It should definitely be returned now but the british might have saved thousands of artefacts by stealing them from other less stable regions.


I imagine it was bought with money.


I looked it up (well, kinda). It's from the Crawfurd collection. Some were looted by the British, but most were bought or acquired by normal means. https://www.academia.edu/43066387/The_Origins_of_the_John_Cr...

Also, turns out Crawfurd was a political "radical" of the time, calling for universal suffrage, secret ballots, and public education.


Sadly you are probably right about that. And so here we are...


This was discovered thousands of years ago in the east(indian subcontinent) by meditation practitioners(i.e Buddha, Mahavira etc) solely through thousands of hours of practice and self-realization. These have been codified into various texts which form a major part of vipassana teachings.

Interesting how scientists in the west either conveniently pick up the theory, conduct some a/b tests and publish them as new discoveries without credit. Even if they had arrived on these conclusions, independently on their own, it's important to understand the mind boggling amount of progress in psychology, neuroscience that was made with the limited knowledge of scientific rigor in the east thousands of years ago.


I disagree. If it's not empirical, it doesn't count. There are millions of people with ideas, but ideas aren't good enough. Prove your idea is true, then we'll talk about deserving credit.

Exception: mathematical ideas which are difficult to come up with.


How is it fair to pick up/completely ignore published experiential observations, in continued practice for millennia from another culture elsewhere in the world, conduct a/b tests and publish results without credit? I'm pretty sure the western world is going to continue swindling wellness techniques/practices from ancient texts, quickly run half-baked experiments, cherry pick data to suit a result and "publish" findings.

When these techniques were in development, in the golden era for spirituality, most of the rest of the world were still hunter-gatherers. Empirical rigor was just not a thing.

It's a question of providing due credit for those who developed and practice these techniques as a way of life. If not share some of the capitalistic spoils in the billions from delivering stress relief(meditation based content) through shiny, addictive apps (Yes, meditation apps can be addictive! Surprise! i.e, Headspace, Calm), At least provide credit where it's due.


Bruh you just don’t get how funding works


EVM with Voter Verifiable Paper Audit Trail(VVPAT). Worked in India, at scale.


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