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How is this different, legally speaking, from forcing someone to reveal their password? or at least to type it in?

The constitution has been interpreted to allow the police to force your finger onto an inkpad for fingerprints. That decision was extended to allow the police to force your finger onto a biometric reader.

The 5th Amendment has been (so far) interpreted to only limit things that require conscious thought, such as remembering a password and speaking it or typing it.


What you know (a password) is protected whereas what you have (a finger or an eyeball) is not.

I don't know about that exactly, but my understanding was that this is similar in justification to compelling a person to be fingerprinted or give a DNA sample. To me there does seem to be a fairly major difference between forcing someone to disclose information held in their mind and forcing them to provide a biometric. The former seems equivalent to compelling testimony against oneself. I have a hard time seeing the latter as compelling testimony against oneself, especially if giving fingerprints or DNA isn't.

Part of it is that compelling information can be problematic, in that other circumstances can happen where the information may not easily be obtainable.

Extreme example, imagine a stroke or head injury causing memory loss.

OTOH DNA/Face/Fingerprints, usually can't be 'forgotten'.


IANAL but I think legally speaking that would be forcing speech. Biometrics are not speech.

It shouldn't be different. But law enforcement wants access and everyone who could reign them in seems to also want them to have access. Honestly it's surprising at this point they haven't argued that people can be compelled to give up their password using whatever means necessary.



It’s conventional around here to share these sites. But they are basically unauthorized copies of the articles, right?

IMO it is totally fair and fine to just respond to the part of the discussion that the publication decided to make publicly available.


> IMO it is totally fair and fine to just respond to the part of the discussion that the publication decided to make publicly available.

This wastes the time of people who read the article.


The publicly accessible article is the article, it isn’t the reader’s fault that the publisher decided to only make a little bit of it accessible to us.

> The publicly accessible article is the article

No.

> it isn’t the reader’s fault that the publisher decided to only make a little bit of it accessible to us.

It is a commenter's fault if they comment on an article they did not read.





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