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I tend to despise senders that believe email is always an effective real-time channel. Delays happen for all sorts of reasons, ranging from massive outages to scanning incoming emails for spam or malware (my corporate email is sloooow).

Greylisting has been so effective for my personal email, I don't mind waiting a bit on the rare occasion (by now, most senders are already recognized). And on the rare occasion I get spam, it's been cathartic, adding a rule to reject the sender with a quippy SMTP eerror. It's also been easy enough just to forward it to abuse@google.com, because it's almost always from Gmail.


We replaced VHS with DVDs. It took 42 years before we gave up on VHS. DVDs have been around for 29 years but were mostly replaced with BDs before disappearing off the shelves in favor of streaming.

We replaced records with tapes, tapes with more tapes, and more tapes with CDs before they, too, disappeared from the shelves in favor of streaming. Except that some stalwarts have successfully resurrected vinyl.

We replaced AM with FM, and analog radio with digital radio, then streaming. We replaced broadcast analog TV with digital, then cable and satelite, then streaming. Mostly.

None of these changes were backwards compatible, and all of them were meant for the general public. They took a while. They were successful.


The quality jump from vhs to dvd was massive. In comparison v6 doesn't offer much above v4

Yes, I've never played a DVD or CD on my Bluray player. That just didn't works.

Anyone who bought DVD player immediately had the benefits of better quality. The same applies to all other examples.

The problem with IPv6 is that you don't get benefits. If the designed protocol needs an equivalent of big bang, it's doomed. ASCII->UTF8 didn't need big bang. x86 to Itanium needed big bang.


I don't think they are arguing for a decrease. I took flatline and peter out to mean stabilize.

That is correct, thankyou for assuming the positive instead of the negative.

I personally believe that at about 60% utilisation the line on the graph will become flat and stay that way.


The problem of IPv6 adoption in the US was largely engineered by major ISPs not caring while hardware manufacturers take their cues from major ISPs.

Why would CGNAT be deployed as a response to IPv6 on mobile? I don't understand the logic there. CGNAT is deployed due to a shortage of publicly routable IPv4 addresses. IPv6 was introduced due to having much larger publicly routable space.

Because the internet as a whole is ipv4. The mobiles are IPv6. The ipv4 internet does not care about any server running on any mobile device.

Thus, CG Nat was invented so that IPv6 could talk to IPv4 and get the information from it.


No, CGNAT (Carrier-Grade NAT - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT) is an IPv4 only thing. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6598 specifies they should use 100.64.0.0/10 for it, to avoid conflicting with the pre-existing private-use ranges. IPv6 removes the need for using CGNAT, as each home router is allocated a public IP (rather than a CGNAT IP) on its public link.

Oh so cgnat exists for ipv4 addresses to talk to IPv6 servers? Is that what you are telling me?

Because all of the www is in IPv6, and cgnat actually excuses for ipv4 cable users to use the bedrock internet servers and services?

Bullshit. Cgnat is a hack for ipv6 to talk to the ipv4 universe.

Because if there were magically enough iov4 addresses for mobiles, would cgnat exist? No, it wouldn't.


No, CGNAT has absolutely nothing to do with IPv6. CGNAT is nothing more than ISPs not providing a public IP to the gateway on your LAN (i.e. your router). To avoid conflicts with existing ranges, a new ranges for that purpose was allocated. There are different technologies to enable IPv4<->IPv6, none of which care about the existence of CGNAT.

No, NAT64 was invented so v6-only hosts could access v4-only resources. CGNAT was invented so v4 hosts can have a v4 address without having to purchase limited public address space.

I would hazard a guess that most of those apps are garbage on Windows, too.

It's not that much headache, and this isn't necessarily about public-facing sites and apps.

Take file storage: Some folks find Google Drive and similar services unpalatable because they can and will scan your content. Setting up Nextcloud or even just using file sharing built into a consumer router is pretty easy.

You don't need to rely on Cloudflare, either. Some routers come with VPN functionality or can have it added.

The self-hosting most people talk about when they talk about self-hosting is very practical.


> ...nor do they provide a way to send encrypted mail to their users' accounts without using their official apps.

I'm confused by this complaint. Sending encrypted mail is the job of the sender. You can PGP encrypt your mail and send it to a Proton user just like any other recipient. I've done this at work when I need to send myself paystubs.


If it's really that difficult for parents to engage their children and parent them, maybe that says more about a society that doesn't prepare parents for parenthood than it does about those who don't have children.


There is no "good parenting" fix that will keep children from trying to access inappropriate content, forums where unhealthy conversation takes place, pornography, and worse. Being a good parent does not and cannot remove the curiosity, temptation, and ability to access bad content. This is a problem with the human condition, not bad parenting.

As a parent myself (and, I hope, a good one), I have found it very difficult to effectively monitor and limit my children's ability to access these things. And I have more facility with technology than the average parent. It's a complex and frustrating problem and the stakes are high.


> This take is really detached from reality, I get down voted for this whenever I ask, but do you have kids? If not sorry, but your opinion means nothing.

The reason you get down voted is likely because you are neither sorry nor correct. Just because someone doesn't have children does not mean their opinion of technology that affects them just the same is invalid. You will get better results engaging others in meaningful debate without dehumanizing folks simply because they aren't like you.


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