You're absolutely right. We're still young, though, so yeah, don't completely discourage FOSS etc I have high hopes. And I would be glad for Mac's Apple's successes, I just am sure that FOSS etc will catch "up" too. We are still young. Let's prais both apple and foss, it's not a question about winning, it's just existing. It's so easy to not choose apple or mac, and, so easy for those who want to go into the apple orchards. And that is great.
He's not by far radioactive, and he's got tons of friend, including Tom Waits, and etc, he's got tons of contacts, and ephemerality my dudes, he can get jobs.
You know. But this was a f good post. Yeah. He's friends with Tom Waits, dudes, and tons of other people, he'll get jobs like hell.
Brave move though. I love you Tim Bray been reading the blog for ages it seems. Tim things up. Good luck onwards.
As far as I've picked up, yes, but, not that matters in the direct software industries. Tim's got tons of connections though so I doubt he will starve. Tom Waits while Tim Brays.
Check out your email signature Tim Bray. Good luck onwards
EDIT: I might be totally wrong but I read somewhere he's friends with yes that guy.
It's plausible that a user on stack exchange who has known of .bashrc, .kshrc, and others, for 10 years has never heard of google and doesn't know how it works? If it were, the user _probably_ learned of google intervening ten years since the question was asked.
Not when the headlined article is a Q&A WWW site, with the answer on the very same page, below the question. You are looking right at a question and answer that tells you this stuff, so you should use Google instead. seems rather implausible, or at least daft.
I do wonder if it's time for some tiny social cost to not even doing a cursory google search, though. It couldn't be easier, yet all sorts of people's time is wasted on places like r/learnspanish by people asking "what's pero vs perro?"
> yet all sorts of people's time is wasted on places like r/learnspanish by people asking "what's pero vs perro?"
Yet, if they felt like it was a waste of time they wouldn't bother answering those people at all. It's not like anyone is forced to respond to someone asking a question with an easily searched for answer. But people choose to, so they obviously must feel like it's a good use of their time.
Agree. Also where do people think Google gets its answers? It comes from stuff like that. There will be many more people that Google than don't.
Reminds me a lot of Googling some programming question, it pointing me at a highly upvoted Stack Overflow question, only to see comments on the question like "voting to close. do some research first" or (also often) some moderator has closed it as "not useful" or something like that.
Because people in general would prefer to shit on the person asking to feel better about their own mighty intelligence and preserve ego. That said, I have to admit there are some pretty low effort questions around on Quora that sometimes I wonder if they're just generated by a bot actually. The whole 'explain what the difference between dog vs dogs is' type questions do leave me perplexed
>explain what the difference between dog vs dogs is'
To be fair, I actually made a search like that recently and was directed to quora which actually had a question and answer related to the dogs I was searching for.
People don’t want to read a dusty answer, people want to engage with other living people. You may as well say drop every classroom Spanish course because those people should read books instead and stop wasting everyone’s time.
And the people answering aren’t always the same people; it’s a useful thing to practise explaining something, so it’s useful to have a rolling set of basic questioners to write answers for. It’s not wasted time, it’s beneficial time.
The self-centeredness of encumbering others with trivial questions just because you want it "fresh" instead of even attempting to google it is what I'm talking about.
Also, let's not compare <pero vs perro> to <learning spanish in a classroom>. If you have a teacher/mentor in front of you, sure, cache-hit them with your easily googleable questions. But when you spend 30 seconds making a Reddit submission to save you 3 seconds of googling, what exactly are you accomplishing?
It also does a disservice to the person always asking these questions who never learns to be resourceful. In my ideal world, LMGTFY is just some tough love. Like, now everyone has google in their pocket and I only see an uptick in trivial questions. And I think it's because we baby everyone with the mentality seen in your comment instead of training people to be self-reliant.
It's like when people ask what `const [a, b] = [1, 2]` in #javascript instead of just... trying it. Just do it. See what happens. That's how we need to be training people to learn, not baby them.
> when you spend 30 seconds making a Reddit submission to save you 3 seconds of googling, what exactly are you accomplishing?
You might have seen someone say "welcome to learning Spanish, if you have any questions just ask!" and simply believed them instead of thinking it was a sperglord den where people were waiting to jump on you for not asking superior enough questions, for one thing. The sidebar of /r/learnspanish even says "If you have a question about anything Spanish-language related, ask and we'll help the best we can!".
For another, when learning something new you're pushing the edge of what you're capable of - what you want is a direct answer to just this sticking point, not a video of "5000 words every beginner MUST know!" or a page of "Twenty False cognates" which might have the answer, or a page of "Introductory Spanish" which is an advert for a training course in another country which isn't even running and hoping you can divert your already-strained attention to digging an answer out of a lot of unrelated stuff; asking a narrow, focused question on just the thing you need might be as much as you can manage. And as you say, you would ask a teacher, you would ask a friend, you would ask an IRC/Discord/etc chat, why would you assume you can't just ask Reddit?
I get it, /r/powershell is full of "how do I get rid of {Name=bob} in my output" because they don't understand the object pipeline, and I answer the ones I want to answer and ignore the ones I don't want to; it simply isn't a sub dedicated to catering "interesting questions for me", and the people who are learning powershell are mostly people with no programming background whatsoever, they're already lost in a pile of syntax, terminology, new tools, grandfathered-in-weird-behaviour, ancient Windows behaviour, filesystem name limitations, web character encoding weirdness, and just can't deal with stopping their five line script to take a course in object orientation before getting any further feedback.
> Like, now everyone has google in their pocket and I only see an uptick in trivial questions. And I think it's because we baby everyone with the mentality seen in your comment instead of training people to be self-reliant.
Agile programmer "Uncle" Bob Martin gave a talk in 2016[1] where he covers the history of programming, from 1 programmer in 1945, through millions in 2016, and estimates a growth rate of number of worldwide programmers doubling every 5 years - that is, every 5 years for the past 70 years, most of the programmers in the world have <6 years experience, continuous state.
You should expect that "everyone has Google in their pocket" leads to an uptick in simple questions simply through growth of people with smartphones, because most people who have a smartphone didn't grow up with the internet, didn't grow up with Google, likely isn't their main hobby or interest, haven't had one (with lots/unlimited mobile data) all that long.
I checked in my copy of the jargon file (which I downloaded in August 2001) and got:
rc file /R-C fi:l/ n.
[Unix: from `runcom files' on the CTSS system 1962-63, via the startup script /etc/rc] Script file containing startup instructions for an application program (or an entire operating system), usually a text file containing commands of the sort that might have been invoked manually once the system was running but are to be executed automatically each time the system starts up. See also dot file, profile (sense 1)
You'll get more "SCSI" when you buy macs, if you're a poser, at least, or a signaller, is probably more polite. 'You' is general of course, but, I think this is how it works. You'll be rolling in the SCSI with a mac, or if you plan to hang out with lots of bald men with the Steve Jobs kind of spiel, or something. I'd guess this is how it works. If any of those things are your thing, you should go for the mac, man.
But all that is a shitty landscape, opinions are mine. I meant no offense. But you see how things work out there.
I too used to be a anti-snob snob, sneering at Apple-buyers buying into a clique.
Then work gave me a Mac. Suddenly I had a Linux machine without the headaches. It took me about 6 months to get used to the OS, but by then I loved it and bought one for the house.
I now have a Linux machine at work and am spending my weekend upgrading the operating system because my video card goes insane and it takes me 3 days of fiddling to finally get it working again.
YES, SPEND MY WEEKEND WORKING SO MY VIDEO CARD WILL WORK.
But my Mac has VIM, grep, awk, cron, sed, and find. A real Linux shell, in other words. It also runs most of the Linux apps I want to run.
Also, I know they didn't stealthily give me a cheap-ass battery that's going to need replacing right outside of warranty. I know it'll be fine.
My laptop isn't a status symbol for you to see and adore.
Honestly?
I wish I could hide the fact that I had a Mac so that I wouldn't worry that it'd be stolen at conferences!
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Anyway. I humbly suggest that you may be the thing you despise: An Apple snob. Just not the kind most people know. Maybe you're the "Granny Smith" type of Apple snobs. ;-)
We are stepping on each others toes; the initial OP or Grand-poster or whatever was about installing Ubuntu on a Mac, and that was the context I was replying into. So whatever. The OSX thing is great, for whoever it fits to, it is surely better than windows, W10.x and, etc, but, whatever, gp, grand parent, was talking about ubuntuin'g a mac, so what's his point. I get your point, about being all about the macs, but, this is an Ubuntu insertion. From his side. (((Arch by the way.))) Yeah enjoy your OSX. You've deserved it. And let's go on our ways. Or Rust on our ways, since the Go language is a piece of shit anyways. I use Rust. Since Go is a piece of shit, I mean.
I've upvoted your comment since we've clearly misunderstood each other. I don't think we're at disparity, the bloke tried to install Ubuntu on a mac after all. It's all good.
The AUR is so transparent. If I want to see how the AUR package is getting built, ez, read the PKGBUILD linked right from the packages page. I was immediately turned off to using Snap because I couldn't find how the Snap was built and really who built it. No Thanks, that's not how I install software on my personal computer anymore, it's one of the main reasons I exited windows as soon as I started to learn about infosec and trust.
Life, indeed. Reading the (excellent, mind you) documentation and, especially, the wiki is fun, I know, but sometimes I want to focus on something else (like getting things done).
Totally agree, just have to report back that it's no huge'er job in terms of systems management. But am on your page. I guess it's relative, I was Ubuntu, too, because I liked the next-next-next ideology, but, when it comes to it, either system-types can be as maintenance free as any other. Rolling releases has the convenience of not being so difficult to upgrade, as you just roll along, you sometimes end up having to reinstall, on these systems like here, like Ubuntu and co I mean. But yeah work is what's most important. I've been a happy Ubuntu user for ages, glad you're getting your work done. It's all that matters relatively speaking. Thanks
Happy Arch and AUR user chiming in, a custody, or emigrant, from the F snap hell Ubuntu caused, and it's easy to verify and vet AUR content, if you care enough, the scripts are legible, readable, so it's just a matter of caring about your system. I agree, I am so happy about the Arch system since Ubuntu bit, ate wholehartedly, the snap bullshit. Thank fuck for AUR.
Corncob was the shit. What was that other Amiga game? With the cones, and everything, it looked like corncob, but it was something else. I bet someone knows. Good times anyways.
Backlash? Is that the title? Internal view, tons of cones, etc, pretty good gfx, fucking cannon shots out of your mouth/view. Backlash? The corncob person gave me memories. Loved backlash, it was fantastically graphic for its time.
