It is sad, psychosis from exec-up has trickled down so people really want these tools to work yet these tools are so bad that people in this thread are recommending you create a second email so your openclaw can suggest events to you without being able to delete them.
It's like having to hire a second maid to watch your maid that steals constantly instead of vacuuming yourself in 10 mins.
Imagine having a worldview so skewed that you'd rather reconcile it by assuming thousands of people are insane than questioning whether you're wrong about something.
yeah i'm not gonna be an AI company's guinea pig just because the c-suite wants to sign me up. "the results" you mean AI-psychosis and dunning-kruger syndrome?
Like I said, devs don't like it. He said productivity went up 3-4x. "It works". There was no question of denying that as far as he was concerned. At the same time he was going to look for another job as it was just painful to work like that.
3-4x from what? There are companies out there that are so dysfunctional and over-managed that they can't code anything to begin with. I wouldn't be surprised if an LLM only solution helped them. I did a contract job that was a week of basic CRUD work for a company, and I was told it took them years to do as much as I did.
I have also seen CEOs do exactly as you're describing, only to find the 3-4x productivity improvement is actually 3-4x more lines of code. And more bugs. Unfortunately there are a lot C-suite people who would rather have captive users locked into a buggy app everyone hates that constantly acts like it's shipping helpful stuff than an app people want to use.
What?? Surely once these companies have locked in their Claude workflows claude wouldn't somehow raise the price. Or steal inventions like Amazon does. Surely.
"If it were me and some coworker that made all that text in an afternoon, it would represent a lot of real labor and thought and billable-hours, so it must be valuable!"
Sure, I bet they didn't outright dismiss them as useless to the entire field though! I'm sure they still understood the value those fancy tools provided to their peers.
Unless someone is trolling, it’s rare for people to deem it as “useless”. Most counterpoints have been about ethics and issues that surround LLM usage. Things like licensing, coding vs review time, correctness and maintainability of the generated code, etc… Unless you believe we’re in a software engineering utopia, I think it’s fair to call those out.
If the amount of code corporations produce goes even 2x there's gonna be a lot of jobs for us to fix every company's JIRA implementation because the c-suite is full of morons.
1. Backend unit tests — fast in-memory tests that run the full suite in ~5 seconds on every save.
2. Full end-to-end tests — automated UI tests that spin up a real cloud server, run through the entire user journey (provision → connect → manage → teardown), and
verify the app behaves correctly on all supported platforms (phone, tablet, desktop).
3. Screenshot regression tests — every E2E run captures named screenshots and diffs them against saved baselines. Any unintended UI change gets caught
automatically.
I was not a app developer before, but a systems engineer with devops experience. But I learnt a lot about apple development, app store connect and essential became a app developer in a month. I don't think I can learn so quickly with other humans help.
You might be surprised. In 2008, when the App Store first came out, I became an iPhone app developer after reading one book. I already knew C, so Objective C wasn't a big leap.
Between my own apps and consulting work, I had a pretty good side business. Like everything else though, those days didn't last forever. But there was a lot of easy money early on.
I am trying to push back. I don't care if other people think the tools make them faster, I did not sign up to be a guinea pig for my employer or their AI-corp partner.
It's like having to hire a second maid to watch your maid that steals constantly instead of vacuuming yourself in 10 mins.
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