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I enjoyed having my perspective on China as a country expanded; I don't hear many positive things about it, and the environmental focus is genuinely refreshing, in stark contrast to my own country's idiocy in that department.

With that said, nothing outweighs their government's human rights violations. Nothing. I know the U.S. has some of its own, but not to an extremity nor scale nor public acceptance that comes anywhere close to that in China.



The very existence of America is a human rights violation, vis-a-vis the original inhabitants and African slavery. Not to mention the multitude of similar abuses those same Europeans caused over the rest of the world. China's violations are certainly serious, but it's just not comparable to the sheer extent of the West's.


I was of course only talking about the present and future. That's what matters when it comes to foreign policy.


We are tied to so many treaties and agreements made in the past, that I believe this is not the case.


> China's violations are certainly serious, but it's just not comparable to the sheer extent of the West's.

Within recent history this just isn't true.

In fact I'm not even sure it's true over history going back to the creation of the colonies: Decades spent under communism - millions dead, freedom totally unknown and nothing to show for it. I don't know to assign magnitude to anything like that, but to say they aren't comparable is wrong.


India never had a famine before the British landed on its shores, when all was said and done, they stole over $45 trillion dollars worth of value from that single nation...

I imagine Africa's stolen loot was many times larger (just the gold export records from South Africa are staggering), not even counting the rest of the world. China would have to maliciously work for decades (maybe centuries) to do the same kind of economic damage that Europe did to these regions.

Realize we are comparing the Chinese, who invaded almost nobody in the last 2000 years, to Europeans, who have invaded almost everybody just in the last 500 years. Not even close here....


How many people do you estimate died unnecessarily under Mao?


The Dzungar People might disagree, if they were not killed off: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide


> the original inhabitants

could say the same about China's history, how many ethnic groups have been genocided because they didn't want to be ruled by the Han


"Nothing" you say? What about wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, with hundreds of thousands killed in the name of lies hidden behind "human rights" narrative?

It's rather glaringly clear that we, Western populations, are constantly fed with biased information from Western media, making us believe that our utopian notion of "human rights" is superb and that we know how to achieve it, at least in theory, while in practice our US-led coalition used these beliefs only to justify its tragic agendas leading to hundreds of thousands of casualties; that's much worse effect than what China induced in Tibet and Xinjiang, no matter how you look at it.

Yet, after all this, we still somehow believe that we have an upper hand in the "human rights" game?


Both countries are equal in terms of human rights violations. It's not popularized, but the US has a good amount of this stuff as well.




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