Nuclear would have been a good solution if we started thirty years ago. By today we don't have enough time to go 100% nuclear before we emitted to much CO2. We have less than ten years of current emissions left if we want to stay below 1.5°. Building nuclear power plants takes longer than that.
>Nuclear would have been a good solution if we started thirty years ago.
Talk about an understatement. Imagine the trillions of tons of CO2 that would not have been emitted into the atmosphere had the developed world invested in nuclear to the same level as France. It would maybe bought us another 50 years.
Really puts into perspective the destructive force of anti-nuclear environmentalism.
>We have less than ten years of current emissions left if we want to stay below 1.5°
Hate to break it to you, solar/wind/battery isn't going to do it. It can't do it today, and there's nothing forthcoming to change that. Germany who went all in, is projecting 2060s as the time they wean themselves off of fossil fuels. France on the other hand is essential fossil-fuel free from power generation today, as is my home province on most days (thanks to Nuclear and Hydro) [1].
But at some point, the variability of renewables is going to start costing two arms and a leg, too. So a bit of dependable, low-carbon power in the mix sounds really good.
But that doesn't work. Adding a little bit of nuclear to a mostly renewable grid is useless. Most of the output of the nuclear plants is thrown away when the renewables are generating, so the marginal cost of covering the remaining slack periods is hideously bad. Other sources would be cheaper (in particular, burning CO2-free hydrogen in turbines, or using natural gas w. atmospheric CO2 capture.)
Then you size wind and solar for the remaining 70-90% of load, say 70th percentile.
During the remaining 30% of the time, you use agreements that allow you to shed load and you draw upon intermittent hydroelectric resources.
The solar/wind overcapacity factor and the remaining bit of battery or power->gas->power you need can be much, much smaller because the reliable nuclear base load really stretches the hydro and load shedding.
And you can use the "extra nuclear power" when wind/solar are overproducing to pump hydro, charge batteries, or make gas for power->gas->power.
Put another way: the reliable nuclear energy just subtracts a constant amount from grid demand, and the remaining wind/solar production variability is reduced proportionally.
Your proposal doesn't work, though. It requires that nuclear be subsidized by buying its power 24/7, even when much cheaper sources are available. This opportunity cost, if properly accounted for, makes the cost for the gaps that nuclear fills in for very very expensive. Trying to use the excess nuclear for hydrogen production, battery charging, etc. doesn't save you, for basically the same reason.
Nuclear is expensive, and you can't shuffle that expense around under three walnut shells hoping it will somehow disappear.
Obviously the proposal does work, in that France basically has it implemented. and has 1/10th the emissions per unit of electricity of countries that have moved heavily towards renewables only, and some of the lowest electrical prices in Europe. ;)
You're playing with apples and oranges. You want us to look the other way while all the exotic things done to fill in for renewable supply/demand mismatches are not amortized over a tiny number of hours of operation, but want to point to the same problem with nuclear.
A diversity of power sources, each with their own problems (cost [nuclear/storage], invariability [nuclear], volatility [wind/pv], total resources available [hydro/geothermal] is what will get us through this. Especially since we're really maxing out what we can do with wind and solar and it's not going to ramp high enough in time to save us.
No, I continue to think you are mistaken, for the reasons I've given. I think if we optimize out the energy system of the future, taking into account cost of construction and operation, it's going to optimize to 0% nuclear.
France's past system is irrelevant, since it was built at a time when renewables were completely noncompetitive. The world has changed now, and changed radically. Going forward, France will be going renewable too.
France is evidence that we can readily get to low carbon electric grids using nuclear power and relatively little technology.
Sure, it's expensive, but all the things we'll have to do to have an all-renewable grid are pretty expensive themselves and unproven.
Yes, we should end up with a much smaller mix of nuclear than France had, to help optimize cost. But it is an option available now that we know will work, and I believe that the optimum point is not 0% nuclear. (In western democracies, though, nuclear has become practically impossible. This hasn't stopped a large amount of reactor construction in China, so obviously planners there disagree with your assessment).
Further, nuclear and wind are comparable in CO2 emissions, and PV is a few times worse. So if we really care about minimizing CO2 there will be some nuclear in the mix.
Betting everything on power->gas->power when we have basically no evidence that this will be economical at scale is crazy. Betting on pumped hydro or battery storage is also dubious. We should be pursuing all avenues available to us.
Also, making a pure opportunity cost argument is a little weird as well. The investments are not purely fungible. That's why we should both give extensive resources to ramp PV and resources to ramp nuclear and resources to ramp p->g->p, because they're not the same resources.
France is evidence that putative economic buildouts of nuclear are not repeatable, if they were ever actually economical in the first place.
It is not an option we know will work. The inability of France to replicate their previous putative success means we can't take any of that for granted.
We have evidence that nuclear will NOT be economical at scale. The evidence is there in a cavalcade of disastrous experiences, even in places like France were experience supposedly, by your reasoning, would have told us to expect otherwise.
Well, France exists and is not bankrupt. France has managed to do it, and leads Europe in carbon output per unit of electricity, and will not be matched for quite some time.
That's right. And we know that they work and they can scale with our needs. We know we can make them cleaner and more efficient.
Maybe wind and solar just isn't the technology of the future for anything by niche applications.