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I would agree if there were multiple competing private companies with comparable market shares, representing the opinions of different social groups. This way, if certain companies started applying censorship that wouldn't reflect the interests of the users, they would lose the market share and would have to listen more to what people want.

Instead, we have an effective monopoly on online search, monopoly on content monetization and a monopoly on social media. These monopolies are sustained through network effects and lack the feedback loop.

Edit: I would even say, they have a wrong type of feedback loop, since they are directly incentivized to censor the opinions that go against the vocal social groups, since that could result in decreasing profits.

China could technically spin off their censorship functions to a privately owned company that would wholly depend on the state-issued license to operate and would keep doing exactly the same thing. Would it make them more democratic or change anything for the end users?

I think, the distinction between private and government is a technicality. What is more important, is how many independent parties are making the censorship decisions, and whether they report to a single vs. distributed source of power. From that angle, the government-dominated Chinese web is very similar to Silicon Valley-dominated western web.



> China could technically spin off their censorship functions to a privately owned company that would wholly depend on the state-issued license to operate and would keep doing exactly the same thing.

If the private company requires a state-issued license, and that license is dependent on the content on the site, then it's still government censorship.

In America, you can still start a competing private company and allow any opinion you want. In China you can't do that.


In theory, yes. In practice, since Google and Facebook are free to end users, outcompeting them would require raising enormous amounts of capital. So you would depend on the approval of a rather small (and mind you, non-elected) group of individuals.

I really don't think it's about the wording you put on the decision maker's badge. It's about who's interests they represent and the structure of their incentives.

Government-drivern censorship is bad, because their incentive would become to stay in power no matter what. Monopolies act the same way.


> China could technically spin off their censorship functions to a privately owned company that would wholly depend on the state-issued license to operate and would keep doing exactly the same thing.

I think that's exactly what's happening for certain online services eg iCloud[1], AWS China[2]

[1]https://money.cnn.com/2018/02/28/technology/apple-icloud-dat... [2]https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/13/aws-exits-china/




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