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> I don't believe that anymore. The emergence of body cameras are amazing because they show just how bad we're constantly being lied to. YouTubers like Donut Operator really opened my eyes.

Definitely agree that body cameras can help to clarify a lot.

Would you mind sharing a bit about what sorts of lies you may've been referencing? Or how "Donut Operator" on YouTube may've been helpful?

I'm not sure if I fully understood what you were trying to say, but it sounds like you may have some neat perspective on the topic.



Well, the leaked George Floyd bodycam video shed a whole different light on the incident. The guy was complaining he couldn't breathe while sitting in the back seat of the police car and insisted on getting out and lying on the ground.

I'm not calling the original video shot by a bystander a 'lie', but it wasn't the whole story by any means.

There's no way those police officers will be found guilty of murder, and there'll be absolute carnage when that happens.


If he complained about not being able to breathe beforehand, and they responded the way they did instead of calling an ambulance, that makes it worse, not better.


You didn't watch the FULL bodycam video did you? At one point the officer asks for the ETA on the ambulance. At another point Chavez says, "You need to calm down, you're going to give yourself a heart attack." He even offers to open the window for Floyd.

Watch the entire thing; both of the released bodycam videos in entirety. They're very different than what we've been fed.


That they did call an ambulance was established from the start. Nothing I said contradicts that. The issue is when they called it, and the fact one of them knelt on his neck.

Kneeling on his neck alone is sufficient to make how they acted awful, irrespective of anything else. There is nothing that will make that an acceptable way to restrain someone.

So unless you're telling me the video proves nobody knelt on his neck, it's not going to improve things.

If the full video as claimed above shows that he complained about breathing before getting out of the car, then that suggests they waited longer to call an ambulance than what I thought they did, and so my impression of their behaviour is now significantly worse.


Did you watch it? What was 'the way they responded'?


He ended up with someones knee on his neck for 8 minutes. According to you after having already complained about breathing difficulties before getting out of the car.

To me, if your description is correct (and no, I haven't seen it), that unambiguously makes the choice of putting a knee on his neck far worse. There's no excuse for doing something that any rational human should understand is likely to make breathing worse to someone who has already complained of breathing problems.


You'll have to watch it for yourself. I'm not going to interpret the video for you.


> I'm not calling the original video shot by a bystander a 'lie', but it wasn't the whole story by any means.

So what was misleading about the original video?


It didn't capture what happened before Floyd ended up on the ground (at least in the version I saw)


So what happened before the clip that justified the officer to murder Floyd by keeping his leg on his neck?


Watch it yourself. I doubt you'd believe anything I say.


I have an open mind, what do you want to say?


Just watch both videos, in full, without interruptions. The prosecutor has released both official body cam videos and they're both ~30 min in length.

If you're not willing to do the basic ground work, we can't have a reasonable discussion about what happened.


I watched it.

Now how does that justify the officer to murder Floyd by keeping his leg on his neck?


Nobody has been found guilty of murder yet.


my bad, it should have been "alleged murder"




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