>Regardless of the faults of current policing practices, the fact is that they represent centuries of judicial, legislative, and social work by many thousands of individuals.
>But it's not as exciting or sexy as "burn it all down" rhetoric
He stated "modern policing," which I would guess is since the 1980s and the drug war, then 9/11. All this is fairly new, and started within my lifetime. This is "normal" to the younger generation, but it's horrifies me.
Some simple fixes that don't require "burning it to the ground," but would in fact abolish modern policing:
1. Abolish qualified immunity.
2. Civil forfeiture requires burden of proof on the state.
3. Require at least the military's rules of engagement, police rules are very lax. (I'm scared, BANG BANG).
4. Require body cams and remove ability to turn them or the microphone off. (sensitive info can be removed on FOIA, but not court cases).
5. Prosecute prosecutors for gross prosecutorial misconduct resulting in a wrongful conviction (withholding exonerating evidence).
6. Disallow drug dog alerts as evidence of a crime. (this has more than been disproven as reliable.)
7. Require states to provide equal funding for the public defender's office as they do the district attorney's office. (fair representation).
8. Require all police departments be 100% funded by their municipality rather than self funding (ticket quotas, pre-textual stops w/ civil forfeiture).
9. National police certification. This keeps away the bad "gypsy" cops that get fired / resign for gross misconduct from being hired elsewhere.
10. Successful lawsuits against the city for police misconduct get taken out of the police budget.
There are probably more, but those should "abolish modern policing." A civilization has to have a pretty ironclad faith in their legal system, otherwise everything will collapse.
> He stated "modern policing," which I would guess is since the 1980s and the drug war, then 9/11. All this is fairly new, and started within my lifetime. This is "normal" to the younger generation, but it's horrifies me.
Yup, the US incarceration rate started rising to these insane current day levels around the 1980s [0]
Interestingly enough, the incarceration rate kept rising even while crime was going down, but crime going down wasn't a US exclusive phenomena, Canada saw the same trend without mass incarcerating people. [1]
Reasonable suggestions, I think you are probably correct.
I do believe that the zeitgeist that wants to abolish or defund the police does genuinely mean that they do not want the police to exist in any capacity. They mean abolish in the sense that the asylum system was abolished.
>I do believe that the zeitgeist that wants to abolish or defund the police does genuinely mean that they do not want the police to exist in any capacity.
I think that idea / narrative makes it easy to circumvent any reasonable discussion on the topic in the political / media sphere.
I think we're nearly at a critical point, if not already. The police were so brazen to beat up and gas news people covering protests, while being filmed doing it.
I'm not a big fan of Vox, but here's a fairly comprehensive article (with video) of what went on.
>But it's not as exciting or sexy as "burn it all down" rhetoric
He stated "modern policing," which I would guess is since the 1980s and the drug war, then 9/11. All this is fairly new, and started within my lifetime. This is "normal" to the younger generation, but it's horrifies me.
Some simple fixes that don't require "burning it to the ground," but would in fact abolish modern policing:
1. Abolish qualified immunity. 2. Civil forfeiture requires burden of proof on the state. 3. Require at least the military's rules of engagement, police rules are very lax. (I'm scared, BANG BANG). 4. Require body cams and remove ability to turn them or the microphone off. (sensitive info can be removed on FOIA, but not court cases). 5. Prosecute prosecutors for gross prosecutorial misconduct resulting in a wrongful conviction (withholding exonerating evidence). 6. Disallow drug dog alerts as evidence of a crime. (this has more than been disproven as reliable.) 7. Require states to provide equal funding for the public defender's office as they do the district attorney's office. (fair representation). 8. Require all police departments be 100% funded by their municipality rather than self funding (ticket quotas, pre-textual stops w/ civil forfeiture). 9. National police certification. This keeps away the bad "gypsy" cops that get fired / resign for gross misconduct from being hired elsewhere. 10. Successful lawsuits against the city for police misconduct get taken out of the police budget.
There are probably more, but those should "abolish modern policing." A civilization has to have a pretty ironclad faith in their legal system, otherwise everything will collapse.