PAT KING: Pat King is a far-right protester who has said in videos posted to social media that there may be future plans to target politicians' homes and that "the only way that this is going to be solved is with bullets." He has called for the arrest of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly.
King has gained attention online for a video posted to Twitter in which he decries the "depopulation" of white people, as well as another video posted in 2019 in which he makes racist remarks about Jewish, Muslim, and Chinese people.
I genuinely wonder how many of the people protesting actually know who this person is or what he believes (if the parent comment even accurately represents him--I really have no idea). Reminds me of how people would criticize BLM protests on the basis that some people in the BLM org had ties to communism--a very weak criticism considering how many better criticisms existed and how few of the protesters had related views. The parent comment seems like a similarly weak indictment of the protesters.
King is literally a founding convoy organizer who calls the shots and has a massive following and influence on the convoy members. His videos get 100's of thousands of views and he influenced the convoy 'manifesto' that they created to try to overthrow the government. Your comment shows you have done zero research into the matter. He's a vocal white supremacist who believes Islam has taken over the government to kill white bloodlines. You can find many videos of him saying this to be broadcast to his following.
I don't doubt he's crazy, I do doubt his crazier views represent those of protesters more broadly. But in whichever case, the administration could take the wind out of his sails by yielding--no need to organize under King if the goal is accomplished. If the government didn't take an authoritarian stance in the first place, King would be marginal.
You think pointing out that there’s far-right extremists managing this whole show is a “weak indictment” when one of the stated goals of said protest is to overturn a democratically elected government?
It's a strong indictment to the extent that this person actually "runs the show" and his views about race represent the majority of protesters' views. Which is to say "yes, it's a weak indictment".
Idk. At best you are defending the idea that the majority of protestors are pawns in someone else’s game, no? Just because someone doesn’t know they’re being used doesn’t mean they aren’t being used …
If that's the case then you're screwed either way because Trudeau's racism is thoroughly documented. :) But thankfully (much to the chagrin of the media and others) these protests have centered narrowly around the bodily autonomy issue rather than unsavory race views, and the likelihood of the protests transforming into racial protests is small. Further still, the establishment could completely take the wind out of the alleged protest leaders' sails by acquiescing (no need to organize under these guys if the need to organize goes away altogether).
If you think Trudeau wearing blackface (also bad, obvs) is comparable to the occupation of the capital of Canada, I wish you well — we really have nothing to discuss here.
"Overnight, demonstrators exhibited extremely disruptive and unlawful behaviour, which presented risks to public safety and unacceptable distress for Ottawa residents," said police.
Oof. That's how the police characterized "illegal fireworks, loud music and horn honking". In fairness to you, your quote from the police was at the tippy top of your article and mine was multiple paragraphs later.
Well, if I'm being charitable, that's exactly the question mark here.
There are reports of intimidation and other bad behaviour, but there are also a whole bunch of other people just enjoying the party atmosphere. I think both narratives can be true. To be clear, some of the honking has been going on 18+ hours a day, which is bad, but there are suggestions of worse things under the surface. This happened a couple weeks ago, for instance:
My probably subjective impression is that wandering around this protest is a bit of a choose-your-own-adventure. There's friendly folks, but there are troublemakers around too, and unfortunately the troublemakers seem to be more senior in the planning process ...
I think your standard for “peaceful protest” seems unreasonable. How many large scale protests have there been which had zero reports of “bad behavior”? Can you name any protest in the last 5 years whose scale was comparable to these protests which had no reports of bad behavior?
1) This is pretty severe by Canadian standards (we don’t have the same kind of protest culture the US does), but more importantly,
2) If nobody was driving their trucks up to Parliament Hill (and if the demands the protestors were initially making weren’t as wild — although obviously there’s room to disagree, as we have here, regarding how serious they are), then I would agree. The mandates and COVID itself have definitely caused a lot of disruption and it’s our right to peacefully protest what the govt does. But the moment you bring commercial vehicles into the mix you are not, imo, a protestor anymore. Especially when you have prominent voices in the US egging it on, sending them money, etc. For what it’s worth I think the blockades on the border are at least as bad if not worse than what’s going on in Ottawa.
I confess to being not overly sympathetic to protest culture generally, but I believe a free society must tolerate protests. However, I think what’s happening now has moved somewhat beyond what we should tolerate.
> This is pretty severe by Canadian standards (we don’t have the same kind of protest culture the US does), but more importantly,
Fair enough. Prior to BLM the US protest culture was much milder as well. :/
> However, I think what’s happening now has moved somewhat beyond what we should tolerate.
I can empathize with the frustration of traffic and noise disruption, but I don’t think it’s a good idea to set the precedent of giving the PM the power to suppress his own critics peacefully protesting.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-majo...
PAT KING: Pat King is a far-right protester who has said in videos posted to social media that there may be future plans to target politicians' homes and that "the only way that this is going to be solved is with bullets." He has called for the arrest of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly.
King has gained attention online for a video posted to Twitter in which he decries the "depopulation" of white people, as well as another video posted in 2019 in which he makes racist remarks about Jewish, Muslim, and Chinese people.