UK? The SNP constantly champions for Scottish independence, plenty of people agree, plenty disagree, I don't recall any suggestion from either side it's illegal. There are also independence movements of varying sizes in Wales, Cornwall, "The North", and London.
The Texas Nationalist Movement may be funded and driven by Russia, but I don't believe Daniel Miller has been arrested or indeed broken any laws.
Corsican nationalists likewise seem fine. Corsica Libera for example got 8 seats in the 2021 regional elections in France
The general view of the world is that people have a right to self determination. Some governments trample on that - Spain and Argentina for example do not like the right to self-determination, but the UN GA agrees it's a universal right.
Thanks for this reply, it's great to have some global perspective on this. It is important sometimes to view things as an outsider and this comment made me realize a few things.
Texas has wanted to secede far before Russian influence was a thing. Similar movements are present in California (mainly to split it rather than secede, but same mechanics)
I don't think Texas wants to secede, polls in 2016 put it about 2:1 against, but some people in Texas have wanted to secede since the Civil War. Their's nothing illegal about their movements, and them trying to expand their cause.
Presumably if a majority* of people in Texas (or Alaska, or Nebraska, or New York City) wanted to be independent from the US then they would be allowed - certainly there would be a moral right to do so.
* Definition of majority, the location of borders, etc is a different discussion, but the fundamental right to people in New York City, Barcelona, Crimea, Portugal, etc, to determine their own affairs isn't up for discussion as far as I'm concerned.
I was agreeing, I was just being specific that secession has been on the table for Texans since it was a country being adopted into the United States. Russians might go ruffle some feathers there and make them talk about it more but it's an idea all to Texas' own.
I'm not terribly knowledgeable about Spain's "democratic legal framework" so maybe you can instead point me to what laws he's breaking?
Is it possible as well that you have a different understanding of that "legal framework" than the prosecution/government/courts of Spain has? Since again, he doesn't seem to be wanted nor arrested for anything.
Wasn't the Catalan politicians also jailed for "misuse of public funds" rather than "inciting against territorial integrity" just because opinions about independence is not illegal in Spain? Or maybe I have that wrong. In that case, it seems Jordi in this case cannot be held responsible for that since he doesn't manage any public funds.
I can't reply to the branch comment so I do here: I have edited my parent comment to reflect the fact it's an opinion and might not be true. Thanks for bringing some insight to this.
I must also add I'm a bit disappointed that people are flagging comments they don't agree with. I thought users here value freedom of speech highly. My comments broke no terms I know of. Perhaps a bit passionate, if anything.
Oh. Seems a bit extreme for you to claim "According to Spanish law [...] what he is doing, is illegal" then, don't you think?
If everything points towards him not breaking the law, shouldn't we by default assume that he in fact didn't break any law? Unless you have something pointing towards that he did break the law after-all.
It should be legal everywhere or else it’s not really a full democracy. Inciting violence to accomplish those ends should be illegal but not self determination itself.
Canada? The federal government literally had to resort to participating in the referendum campaign in quebec, since they couldn't really do anything more than that.
Any "democratic" framework that forbids advocating for regional independence is in violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. In Spain, such advocacy is called "secessionism", and is illegal, and sanctioned with long prison sentences.
