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can someone explain where Cern gets the $50B+ to build and operate the LHC? their discoveries have a dubious theoretical and practically zero commercial application. there must be a hidden weapons / military application to justify a massive money hole


It's been a tradition for 90 years now.

Since first "high energy" particle accelerator in 1932, we have used particle accelerator to smash and study subatomic particles. First we found a whole zoo of them, but then 1961 Gell-Mann's quark model explained how all those subatomic particles are not elementary particles, but made of various combinations of quarks.

From 1975 we've had the standard model of particle physics, and after 2012 with the experimental discovery of the Higgs boson, now we've found all the particles in the standard model. But the road up to 2012 was: Keep building bigger accelerators, keep adding more energy, keep finding new particles. Why stop now?

Some skeptics say that now we have maybe found them all. And we don't have a good theory that would predict new particles, so maybe we won't find new elementary particles, no matter how we go on. Maybe we should pause and reconsider. Work on new theories.

But, we also have theories: Supersymmetry, and string theory. Supersymmetry predicts the existence of the superpartners of all the 17 elementary particles. Maybe their discovery is just behind the corner, if we just keep going? Or maybe supersymmetry is wrong, and the superpartners don't exist at all.

Timeline of discoveries of the elementary particles:

    1800-1895 photon
    1897 electron
    1937 muon
    1956 electron neutrino
    1962 muon neutrino
    1969 down quark
    1969 strange quark
    1969 up quark
    1974 charm quark
    1975 tau
    1977 bottom quark
    1979 gluon
    1983 W boson
    1983 Z boson
    1995 top quark
    2000 tau neutrino
    2012 higgs


again what is the practical value of any of this ?


It's the continuation of the same line of work that long ago gave us nuclear power, nuclear bombs, nuclear medicine (MRI and PET scans, cancer treatments). We don't know if this line of work has / will have practical value anymore. But we have been at this for such a long time, there is momentum and it's maybe difficult to stop and reorient.

There are opinions, that we should stop and reorient: https://bigthink.com/hard-science/large-hadron-collider-econ...


in other words not a new practical discovery in 70+ years


Can't just sit around all day.

Or rather, planning useful projects only gets you things you already knew to ask for. Doing basic research is a way to create things you didn't know to ask for.


get all of those minds building a better reactor and when they succeed they can take a break and play games





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