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I used to vehemently agree with stuff like this, but now I just cringe. Yeah software today sucks, but comparing it with the 70s/80s/90s is just stupid. We don't ship software for one piece of incredibly simple hardware and a few thousand customers anymore. Elitism isn't going to make the situation any better and frankly unproductive whining like this is just getting exhausting.


I "vehemently agree" but I don't insult farmers or other blue collar workers because that's a shitty thing to do. The author is just an asshole and should be punched in the face by a farmer.


The author should be a farmer for a season and we can live stream their crying and incompetence for charity.


one of the reasons i LOVED clarkson's farm (jeremy clarkson -- from top gear/grand tour -- series on farming). it showed how absurdly hard farming.

comparing software development (which, let's be honest, is super cushy) to farming is insulting.


Oh wow I need to see that series. I hope it's hilarious.

I think farming is misunderstood because historically it's what 95% of people did, and it wasn't all that high tech. Not that pre-modern farming was easy: there's endless nuances about how to actually grow plants/animals optimally. But modern farming is ridiculously high tech. A modern farmer is a business owner, a logistics engineer, a mechanic, a programmer/hacker, and a labourer. I'm probably missing a dozen sub-professions of farmer. I bet "calories generated per farmer per year" would be a fascinating timeseries graph to view.


> Oh wow I need to see that series. I hope it's hilarious.

it's crazy good. small spoiler: it starts with jeremy buying a lamborghini tractor, because, well, it's a lambo!

at the end of the day, it made him respect farmers quite hard. and it showed a ton of people (including me!) how does modern farming works.


I just watched the first episode. I love that he wanted to turn a barn into a bomb.


also farmers are incredibly resourceful. Every farmer i have ever met can fix any just about equipment they have because its so difficult and expensive to get someone to come out and fix it.


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Does he use it elsewhere or anything like that?

I would call players who expend time in lieu of skill "grinders." "Farming," on the other hand, is often a late-game playstyle which gets the best results (farming for rares to fully equip a build).

I mean the necessity to do this can be seen as bad game design, and maybe the players are dummies for picking bad games (although the Diablo and Destiny series are pretty well received), but this sort of thing is required to play at the highest levels...


> Some of you need to learn how to read, or learn how to not get so emotional.

How is anyone supposed to infer that from the quotes? I am not a gamer so I would never know this. Its domain specific jargon that overlaps with long standing definitions.


Why is the author asshole? You don't insult farmers but you won't stoop before insulting the author of microwebsockets.

At what point does one assume moral high ground with 100% certainty?

It's as if all this hate comes from the inability to read text carefully, without isolating malicious intent first.


Insulting an entire group of people, by directly implying that farmers are not skilful or educated, is worse than insulting the person who made the insult in the first place.


But he didn't insult crop farmers, he placed the word in quotes.

A "farmer" (note the double quotes) is a gaming/internet culture term that denotes someone who does repetitive, boring tasks in order to accumulate some kind of value.

I'm pretty certain that intelligent people who comment here are aware of it, but are using mental gymnastics in order to justify the insults they'll direct towards the author of microwebsockets.

Is that not hypocrisy in its finest form?


a) For what it's worth, I did not immediately think of that meaning of the term, despite being familiar with it. I suspect that despite your claims most people would not. Using quotes just means that the author is not claiming that programming is done by literal farmers.

b) Even if that's what the author meant, it is still a derogatory term when you consider its origin. Why do you think gaming culture picked "farmer" as the word used to describe someone who performs mindless repetitive tasks?


> I'm pretty certain that intelligent people who comment here are aware of it,

It has nothing to do with intelligence. I don't game. I don't consume media that would constantly expose me to gaming memes either. Mind you, I have heard of gold farmers in passing. Though when I read the word 'farmers' the definition I am familiar with is older than all of us put together. Nice try at an insult though.


> A "farmer" (note the double quotes) is a gaming/internet culture term that denotes someone who does repetitive, boring tasks in order to accumulate some kind of value.

Question for you: where did that come from? Oh, that's right, by implication that actual real life farmers do repetitive boring tasks in order to accumulate some kind of value.

Your counterargument literally proves the point.


To act as the devil's advocate: I've always taken it to be reference to Farmville players.


No, because an old and crusty term like that isn’t common knowledge anymore.


You're saying that gaming term is "crusty and old" therefore your misinterpretation of his statement and your emotional outrage is justified?

What is the cutoff date for terms we can use that won't confuse and emotionally outrage you?


I’m clearly saying, like others are in this thread, that just because you associate calling someone a “farmer” with an anachronistic gaming term doesn’t mean that almost everyone will read it in a different way, nor does it mean that your interpretation is correct.

‘What do you do for a job?’

‘I’m a farmer’

‘Oh right what’s the best quest to farm on in WOW?’

Said nobody ever.

It reads very poorly, in short.


Why do you think he put it in quotes?

Did you read the full context, or just rage at the cut out sentence that someone else here provided to you?

It's very clear in long form what he was talking about.

He has no control of people taking one sentence out of a long opinion that he has written.

It's up to you to inform yourself before joining the mob and sharpening your pitchfork.


> Why do you think he put it in quotes?

Because they are not actually farmers, but have similar negative stereotypical traits?

Why are you so eager to accuse everyone of blind rage? I read the whole thing. It’s bog standard “these kids on my lawn” stuff which isn’t worth any brain power discussing.

However, you not being able to understand why people didn’t assign some convoluted meaning to the word farmer is quite interesting.


Insulting, whether at an individual or at a group, is a lowly, immoral act in of itself despite one being slightly better than the other.




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