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There's also bats who have much more flight control than birds. Since they have a hand in their wing which is covered with skin and muscle, they have a large amount of additional control over birds. Here's a great video of a study.

https://youtu.be/BNNAxCuaYoc

And there's kestrels hovering. I have also seen hawks do this.

https://youtu.be/7j6OsP7zL6w

https://youtu.be/mDRcLAkRZ50

Edit: Now I've gotten on a YouTube binge and landed on New Zealand keas, which I didn't know about before. And damn are those birds intelligent.



> Now I've gotten on a YouTube binge and landed on New Zealand keas, which I didn't know about before. And damn are those birds intelligent.

They're also utterly fearless, to the point of being disturbing.

I'd never had a wild bird come up and approach to less than arm-length, and not flinch or worry about what I was doing with my camera/tripod/etc.

I backed up, repeatedly, and it just kept getting closer.


Don’t leave us hanging. What were you doing with your tripod?


Using it to hold the camera. Extending/retracting the legs. Moving things around that make noise tends to scare off wildlife.


It was just interested to find out what parts the tripod is made of.


> what parts the tripod is made of

...and whether they taste any good. Yes, I'd heard all the stories about Kea destroying cars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6vY0s83NLg


Is it still hovering if you're "just" matching airspeed and wind speed so that your ground speed is zero?


I don’t understand the weird arguments going on here. Hovering means to stay in one place in the air. It says nothing about air speed. Ground is the only reference needed for “in place”.


I'm curious what would define hovering as if it is not "ground speed zero"?


Air speed zero? Otherwise I’ve seen some Cessnas hover :)


Are you "standing still" if you're sprinting at full pace, out of breath, heart pounding, but feet slipping on an icy slope so you have ground speed zero?


Is it still commenting if I’m “just” typing this and hitting enter?


Yes... That's exactly what it is?


saying something can hover usually implies that it can have a ground speed of 0 at an air speed of 0. If you leave out the air speed requirement then anything that can fly can hover


That doesn’t make sense. If something only hovers at air speed zero along with ground speed zero, then as soon as any wind whatsoever picks up, then that something is no longer hovering by your definition, even if it maintains the same place in the air. Hovering means to stay in the same place in the air. It doesn’t say anything about air speed, which is the delta between wind speed and ground speed.


Debatable at least..


Cool videos, thanks for sharing.


i like how americans say annamull :)




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