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Money is money. Debt is money from the future. Seems you don't understand.


> Debt is money from the future.

By the same token, money is debt from the past.

The origins of debt are ultimately material. Alice has a bushel of apples today, but Bob won't have a bushel of oranges until next month. The function of money is to decouple the general function of debt from its material details. In other words, you can have debt without money, but you cannot have money without an underlying debt.


Do you actually believe all of the world's debt can be repaid?


Not a chance. I believe we're all mostly out here trying our best to make the numbers add up, when we're not (judiciously, I hope) looking the other way because some particular numbers offend our sensibilities. People are complicated, and economies are made of people. Money isn't a law of the universe, it's a technology we invented and (mis)apply in accordance with our values and desires.


It can be in barter clubs and with demurrage currencies. The problem with debt is that it takes two to pay off debt. The creditor has to spend off their savings at the same rate the debtor pays off their debt.

This type of synchronization requires a negative price signal on money though.


Money is money from the future. If I give you one dollar today, you value it not because you can instantaneously exchange it for a soda, but because you can exchange it for a soda tomorrow.


Technically money isn't bound to a specific period. So you are right. Money exists in the past, present and future simultaneously.


I'm just gonna reply to myself rather than this thread of 'intellectuals' that have latched on thinking they're super woke about 'money'.

This is really sad. Especially the guy who 'advised' to stay away from crypto. I don't need advice to know it's for idiots


Since this is a pointed reply to my own comment, I'm just going to say that I'm anti-crypto, for the record.


And yet debt has monetary value today and can be sold for cash today. It can also be sold for goods which makes it more money like than Bitcoin.

If you don't understand currency basics, I advise to stay away from crypto


That is not how debt works, not even in a 100% reserve system.

You are never borrowing from the future. In a 100% reserve system you borrow from other people in the present. If you fail to repay you don't disappoint your future self, you disappoint another person in the present.

In a fractional reserve system loans create both debt and new money and the debt is always an obligation to pay back present money on a fixed schedule.


there is no money, it is all debt, he is right. Unless you carry around golden coins.


Even if you carry around golden coins. They have little value, especially in coin shape. They are just unforgeable, fungible markers for debt.




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