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TikTok isn't a state actor.

Contrary to the current American discourse, not everyone in China is a government bot.



The idea that government and companies could have significantly different goals and operate under different authority is seen as a very western notion in china. It isn't possible for a chinese company to directly defy the wishes of the chinese government.

Jack Ma is a good case study, one of the most influential and successful businesspeople in china, and he was summarily thrown in jail for merely discussing ideas the CCP didn't like. There was no legal process, he just dropped off the grid completely, and then some time later the chinese government made ominous statements about how he was "embracing supervision."


> is seen as a very western notion in china

No, it isn't. The idea of private companies existing to make money is exactly the same in China as everywhere else. Companies talk about serving the public good (as they do in the US as well), but they really just care about the bottom line.

> he was summarily thrown in jail for merely discussing ideas the CCP didn't like

He wasn't thrown in jail. He was pressured to stop directly criticizing the government, after he publicly criticized China's financial regulators.

Right now, TikTok faces much greater political pressures from the US government than it does from the Chinese government. It's a private company trying to make money, and trying to avoid scrutiny from both the Chinese and the US governments.


All companies in China are under the control of their state. TikTok is a state actor.

No, not everyone in China is a state bot. However, every company has to keep at least a few party members on their board and obey state controls constantly.


> All companies in China are under the control of their state. TikTok is a state actor.

Couldn't the same be said of companies here in the US? We know the government is collecting data from US corporations. Should other countries be blocking Google, Facebook and Microsoft?


The same could not be set of companies in the United States, and such controls would very quickly or lawsuits and all sorts of backlash.

Companies do cooperate with the government, but for the most part that cooperation is either voluntary, or clearly defined by law which mandates cooperation.

There is still some reason for concern, but there is much less reason for concern.


We now know that as a practical matter, American companies do cooperate with the US government in spying, influence operations, etc., and that the US government has a massive surveillance apparatus that is highly opaque and beyond the control of the American public.

That's why the sudden concern about TikTok theoretically being a problem comes across as an excuse for going after yet another Chinese company, as a way to pressure China and hamper its development.


It can be on command. It might be now.




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