I guess I hang around with different ex-Sun people because, however Sun ended up eventually, they're all pretty praising of McNealy and Sun's culture.

One thing McNealy did get right is that Sun was pretty much the only one of the large Unix vendors that wasn't at least preparing for the possibility of an all-Microsoft future with NT. (IBM was arguably placing more of a small side bet that execs like Mills didn't really believe in but almost no one besides Sun dismissed NT out of hand.