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> What modern UI even has visible scroll bars by default?

Pretty much all of them except Mac.

Can speak personally for KDE, Sway, GNOME, and Windows 10.

And when they are invisible, they usually show up on mouse motion/window interaction, so it's still not as egregious.



Xfce4.18 (GTK) has them. Has for 15+ years.

Shout out to Xfce for being so boring/consistent for more than a decade.


I'm so grateful for Xfce, it's been my desktop for maybe 15 years. Such a godsend in a world where every other UI gets more bloated and less usable over time.


> Pretty much all of them except Mac.

iOS is way more prevalent and has hidden scroll bars unless scrolling. Thanks Apple.


I'm using Firefox 110, Gnome, Wayland, Pop!_OS 22.04. I only have a scrollbar when I scroll or mouse-over the scroll bar.




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