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Level 2 FULL self driving is way harder of a problem than location limited, condition limited, maneuver limited, speed limited level 3 so to me it is hilarious to call Tesla beat in any sense of the word.

40mph single lane travel during clear skies and daytime down certain highways can be done by any number of naive driver assistants from many manufacturers. Tesla's autopilot from 2015 could certainly accomplish that, let alone the 2023 FSD versions. The only thing Mercedes has accomplished here is ambitious paperwork.



You really think there’s no engineering difference between system that’s designed to actively kill you, and others if you don’t pay attention vs system that’s designed not to do it, and company putting their money behind that statement?


You really think Mercedes legal filings guarantee a safer system? It is more important to focus on the technical capabilities of the systems than who can add more asterisks to their crash statistics.

You are comparing a mature system with billions of miles of testing to a system which you will struggle to keep engaged for 2 mile intervals.


Ok, let’s focus on the technical aspects.

Tesla has no safety life cycle process and as a result FSD is inherently unsafe, from the engineering point of view.

You can try to hand wave over that, but if you are an engineer working on the safety critical systems (it’s an actual engineering field), that’s all you need to know about FSD.


How will you discretely identify every problem to be solved in the domain of live real drivers in real world conditions? Applying a model of an industrial plant where machines interface with machines, and occasionally humans in prescribed and orderly functions, will not get you any closer to safety.

What will get you closer to safety is insanely large corpus of real world data being trained on in a continuous feedback loop.


Ask Boeing how ignoring it works out.


Which Boeing execs ended their career in disgrace after killing hundreds of people in pursuit of lower training costs ?


Dennis Muilenburg.

189 people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Air_Flight_610

157 people: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_30...

That's 346 people killed.

Here's an article about his being fired in disgrace after this: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/23/business/Boeing-ceo-muile...


Wow, totally missed anyone at all was held accountable for that. It’s not much but something at least.


You are not actually focusing on technical aspects. You are focusing on regulatory credentials and bureaucratic process. Focusing on technical aspects would mean looking at actual data from on road performance.


Design process and lifecycle of the product and development is not a technical aspect only at startups building apps to share cat photos.


Tesla FSD is not mature, it’s just old




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