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Just got a 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. The UX is awful, full of bugs and quirks. If it was an app I would have already uninstalled it. Unfortunately, I am stuck with an expensive car that is super clunky. I doubt any of the bug reports or usability issues are I've shared with the dealership or Mitsubishi are even going to get fixed.


I have the 2019. I needed AWD, as I have 10 miles of muddy roads to get to my house. I now regret not buying a Subaru for the 10k above MSRP or whatever the ransom was back then. The milage on the Outlander PHEV is comically terrible once the battery is empty. Yet somehow, it's a "clean air vehicle" (LOL) It's also crazy to me that "SPORT" utility vehicles don't have a trailer hitch by default. What are people using these things for? Oh yeah, automakers have convinced people living in cities that they need an oversized disgusting SUV to be safe, increase their odds of running over children, pets, and having catastrophic rollovers. The automakers like it because SUV's have much almost no safety standards compared to cars and no gas milage CAFE requirements!

I often hate myself for owning an SUV, but it was most practical vehicle for the rural area I'm in that was available at the time for a reasonable price.

Biggest annoyances with the Outlander 1) 12v system dies even when you have enough energy on board to power a house for a day. 2) It's a cargo ship with no cargo room. The front seats don't go all the way down, so I can't fit anything in this environmental disaster that I couldn't fit in a Ford Fiesta Hatchback. The back seats have things like cup holders and weird design features blocking the ability to use it to move stuff. 3) Why did they reinvent how you shift into gear? I need to explain to people who use my car how to put it into drive and park. 4) No spare tire! Now, I drive around with a spare floating around in the back that I purchased since not having a spare is a disaster waiting to happen in a rural area.

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Yeah, I will drive this into the ground and never buy an SUV again.


What kind of mileage do you get? I have around 4,000 miles on the car now and I have 39 MPG average. I just took a longer trip (1,600 miles total) and averaged 27.5 mpg for the trip. A good deal of my other driving is shorter regional trips which are too far for a bike to be practical. I average around 60 MPG, having the 42 miles of range on the battery helps.

Agree with you on the cargo space. My previous car is an Outback and has just as much usable space as this car, which is a larger vehicle. The main reason I got this car is I wanted a plug-in hybrid and it was the one that met my requirements and was available.

A station wagon is a great form factor for me. Plenty of room inside the vehicle and lower to the ground so it's easy to put stuff on the roof rack. Unfortunate that no one is really making them.


Crappy lead acid 12V batteries are pretty common, Tesla did smart by replacing them with lithium ion.


just got a 2023 forester; ux is pretty bad too - esp carplay when I connect my iphone and I want navigation and music, the music is at a reasonable volume but the navigation is deafening and the touchscreen isn't multitouch and is overall pretty bad

I ultimately just gave up and put in a car charger as I can't charge without activating carplay and just use bluetooth which works much better and use the much smaller phone screen for navigation

I don't get why the touchscreens on new cars are worse than those of iphones from >10 years ago


My previous car was a nearly 20-year-old Outback. I don't think I ever looked at the owner's manual to figure out how to do something on the dashboard console. From the articles and discussions I've been following, I'd most likely have the same complaints about my new vehicle too.

It really makes me wonder how they test these things, because with the amount of issues I ran into within the first couple of days of owning the vehicle leads me to believe they don't actually have a quality process in place for the software and UI.


Hey, cheer up, at least you don’t have to feel bad about buying an EV with CCS1 just as North America is converging towards NACS.




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