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> It's not up for debate. It happened

False equivalence and straw man [1][2]. You claimed "everyone who tried to publish was either threatened, harassed, surveilled, or bribed." You're trying to conclude that argument by showing some people were threatened, harassed, surveilled or bribed.

Going back to your first post, you made a claim and provided sources that don't support it. Now you're backing up into, essentially, "trust me." This isn't arguing in good faith.

> We know the threats, harassment, surveillance, and bribery happened. We know the specific people, the specific threats, the specific dollar amounts

Sure. These actions apply to plenty of things. That doesn't prove the inverse.

The bottom line is there is a multi-billion dollar pay-out for anyone who can show Roundup causes cancer. As a $50bn company, Monsanto has weight, but it's in the low tier among the heavyweights.

Hell, if someone has convincing research and is scared, hit me up. I'll indemnify you against civil claims, finance the litigation and even pay for personal security and countersurveillance (if they're caught illegally surveilling, it adds to the damages). In exchange, I want my costs back first plus 51% of the damages.

SIDE NOTE: Memkit looks cool.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man



I mean, I agree with your claims about my logical fallacies.

I guess what I'm trying to say is: If we could magically determine the truthiness of all these statements and I had to bet money, I would take my side.


> what I'm trying to say is: If we could magically determine the truthiness of all these statements and I had to bet money, I would take my side.

This is, in my opinion, a more-compelling statement than "Roundup definitely causes cancer in humans. It's well established at this point."

(Also, Roundup != glyphosphate. The nastiest bit in Roundup may be the surfactants [1].)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyethoxylated_tallow_amine#H...




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