And the ones with such low power consumption are either fanless or the fans don't run anyway because you don't need a fan to dissipate two watts.
> And they can go to Walmart and buy an $850 M1 MacBook Air that can run MS Office, all of the other commercial software
But they don't need any commercial software. All of that stuff is dead and dying, replaced by web pages. Whether that's good or not, it's certainly happening.
> still have a faster quieter ARM based Mac
That $850 M1 is five years old. For the same price you can get a faster Ryzen laptop on a newer TSMC process. Meanwhile if you want a higher end machine, Apple overcharges so much for RAM that most people can't afford it. Notice how much lower Mac market share is than iPhone.
> it integrates with their other Apple devices
This is not a reason for anybody to use Windows, and Android has 70% global market share, so by this logic the global PC market should be trending toward 70% Linux and 30% Mac.
> And what’s more likely? They put Linux on their old slow laptops that run hot, loud and with piss poor battery life - all of which is worse with Linux - or they just buy another Windows computer or Mac that runs all of their software?
People have a random laptop which is 80% as fast as a new laptop and gets 6+ hours of battery life under Linux, but doesn't support Windows 11. Option one is they keep it and put Linux on it, which saves them hundreds to thousands of dollars for a new laptop, which is a pretty big advantage. Option two is they sell it and buy a new laptop, and then someone else buys it to put Linux on it and the installed base of Linux users still goes up.
> If they are using Office365, they don’t have to buy new software even if they do switch to Mac.
> Of course it does? People have reported 20+ hour battery life on Linux laptops:
With a poor trackpad and only if you use the low quality screen?
> But they don't need any commercial software. All of that stuff is dead and dying, replaced by web pages.
Who are these people in the mainstream that don’t want any commercial software?
You better tell Microsoft and Adobe that native software is dying…
> For the same price you can get a faster Ryzen laptop on a newer TSMC process.
And then you lose the whole better battery life, cool, quiet and fanless. Also the M2 MacBook Air is $999 with 16 GB RAM and faster.
> Meanwhile if you want a higher end machine, Apple overcharges so much for RAM that most people can't afford it.
The M2 MacBook Air comes with 16GB RAM now. But you were talking about people who are okay with an old laptop and not running commercial software. Are they really going to run anything so intensive that they need more than 16GB RAM?
> Notice how much lower Mac market share is than iPhone.
And notice how much higher it is when people have a choice and have money - ie college students and professionals and even developers? How many companies are going out of their way serving people who are poor or cheap?
> it integrates with their other Apple devices
This is not a reason for anybody to use Windows,
We are talking about people who have to buy computers anyway because as you said W10 is EOL or children growing up with Chromebooks.
They aren’t buying Windows computers for the most part.
> and Android has 70% global market share, so by this logic the global PC market should be trending toward 70% Linux and 30% Mac.
And see what people with money are buying globally - Macs and iPhones. They definitely aren’t buying Windows computers.
How many of those computers were sold to businesses? Why would anyone buy computers with Linux?
> People have a random laptop which is 80% as fast as a new laptop and gets 6+ hours of battery life under Linux. Option one is they keep it and put Linux on it, which saves them hundreds to thousands of dollars for a new laptop,
You can buy a cheap Dell for $400 and it can run all of their software or a Macbokk Air for $899 when not on sale or even a Mac Mini for $699.
> Option two is they sell it and buy a new laptop, and then someone else buys it to put Linux on it and the installed base of Linux users still goes up.
People aren’t selling old useless PCs for the most part nor or people buying them over a sub $500 PC
> If they are using Office365, they don’t have to buy new software even if they do switch to Mac.
They're not using Office365, that's the point.
They are using something besides a web browser, if they are just using a browser, why not just use an iPad or even their phone - and most people are doing that. You can see by the number of computers sold each year compared to the number of phones
Of course it does? People have reported 20+ hour battery life on Linux laptops:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16058712
And the ones with such low power consumption are either fanless or the fans don't run anyway because you don't need a fan to dissipate two watts.
> And they can go to Walmart and buy an $850 M1 MacBook Air that can run MS Office, all of the other commercial software
But they don't need any commercial software. All of that stuff is dead and dying, replaced by web pages. Whether that's good or not, it's certainly happening.
> still have a faster quieter ARM based Mac
That $850 M1 is five years old. For the same price you can get a faster Ryzen laptop on a newer TSMC process. Meanwhile if you want a higher end machine, Apple overcharges so much for RAM that most people can't afford it. Notice how much lower Mac market share is than iPhone.
> it integrates with their other Apple devices
This is not a reason for anybody to use Windows, and Android has 70% global market share, so by this logic the global PC market should be trending toward 70% Linux and 30% Mac.
> And what’s more likely? They put Linux on their old slow laptops that run hot, loud and with piss poor battery life - all of which is worse with Linux - or they just buy another Windows computer or Mac that runs all of their software?
People have a random laptop which is 80% as fast as a new laptop and gets 6+ hours of battery life under Linux, but doesn't support Windows 11. Option one is they keep it and put Linux on it, which saves them hundreds to thousands of dollars for a new laptop, which is a pretty big advantage. Option two is they sell it and buy a new laptop, and then someone else buys it to put Linux on it and the installed base of Linux users still goes up.
> If they are using Office365, they don’t have to buy new software even if they do switch to Mac.
They're not using Office365, that's the point.