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Right here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/12/julian-assange-e...

This is from testimony given by Assange's lawyer.

It does lose the context of the lawyer continuing on that Assange eventually did find and use a condom.


This is from testimony given by Assange's lawyer where he is stipulating to the statements provided by the prosecution for the purposes of an extradition hearing where the court will view the evidence as favorable as reasonable to the prosecution.

In other words, this is Assange's lawyers presentation of the prosecutions claims followed by his attempt at making the claim there is no case even if the facts are entirely as alleged by the opposing party.

Presenting this as Assange's lawyers somehow agreeing that these are the facts is misleading at best. His lawyer goes on to specifically state that for the purposes of the hearing it is irrelevant whether or not Assange agrees with this version of events.


I don't think that's entirely true, but it's perhaps more true than not. I addressed it upthread.

The only issue being litigated in this thread and in UK court is "is this rape charge so ridiculous that the UK should refuse to honor its extradition treaty with Sweden over it". I don't see any reasonable argument for that assertion here.

Sweden is not an Orwellian dystopia. It's an especially enlightened and socially conscious state, even (perhaps especially) compared to the US.


It's a country that have admitted to having handed political asylum seekers over to the CIA so they could ship them back to the regime they were fleeing in order for them to be tortured.

While it did cause an uproar, it took a couple of months before Swedish military intelligence uncovered that illegal CIA rendition were still ongoing, with the involvement of Swedish airport staff.

Sweden has an extensive history of various services violating Swedish law in order to bend over for the US behind the scenes.


No, we are not an Orwellian dystopia. But we have still helped CIA to deport and torture by proxy totally innocent innocent asylum seekers. If I were Assange I would not wish to gamble on that not happening again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Ahmed_Agiza_an...


I beg to differ. Sweden is thought by many especially enlightened people to be case study in radical feminist insanity.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/government-tyranny/the-...


"Radical feminist insanity". Here's where I get off this train. Have fun, all.


The Gender War is a two hour documentary by journalist Evin Rubar, about radical feminism and its influence on Swedish politics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yta55u2zP2U&list=PL849AE3...

Now, before you downvote me, as I see some 'enlightened' readers already have, consider whether a male would get a fair trial in Sweden on any sexual accusation.

Is this not 'radical feminism'? Is it not also kind of insane? Don't shoot the messenger.


She goes to a shelter for battered women and complains that they don't like the men who battered them, and maybe don't want to risk being battered again-- she calls this extremism. I call it once burned.

Burning Ken Dolls in front of a camera is not journalism.


See this page on Swedish rape laws. In Sweden you are guilty until proven innocent in cases of alleged rape.

http://justice4assange.com/Sexual-Offences.html


Still being downvoted, no reasons given. How about a link from the feminist section of Slate?

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/04/hen_s...

Insane? Radical? You decide!





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