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I think it's prudent to assume that these companies are selling your information to anyone with two nickels to rub together, regardless of which tech celebrities they are linked to.


This. The data collection is the product, that’s why it’s free.


But it's not free. Persona is hugely expensive.


If you want to buy it yourself, it is. Discord is using Persona because it’s backed by Thiel and the “Founders Fund”. They want your data.

Discord has investors from multiple venture funds but Tencent is a large contributor. Yes, that Tencent.


I'd like to believe that Tencent has information gathering methods more sophisticated than asking me to send them a picture of my driver's license.


This is the part that loses me, my understanding was that this was only supposed to scan things offline, not collect any PII. Are they lying about not collecting the face scanned data?


There's two paths for verification, and the discussion on them is muddying things. There's k-id, which is the local-only age verification, and then there's a secondary process for places where k-id is indeterminate or their system flags you as possibly still being underage, and requires ID verification.

Previously, they handled this escalation path via Zendesk, which was breached revealing all of the messages with IDs.

Now, they're trying out Persona for this path.


There is no reason to trust them, and many not to.


Palantir is an integration company. There are plenty of data brokers to scrutinize. i.e. discord itself sells your data.


https://discord.com/privacy

> We don’t sell your personal information.

No evidence that they sell your data against their privacy policy has ever come to light, so I think you should probably back that claim with evidence if you think otherwise.


To play devils advocate (i know nothing about discords use of data), isnt it trivial for any corporate counsel make legal statements like this that are not truthful? For example: we dont sell your data... we freely give it to our sister company with a common owner that sells your data.


That’s illegal under CCPA so if they did that to the data any California resident they would be in big trouble. More or less any transfer of data for which the company receives some benefit counts as a “sale” under CCPA.

https://www.clym.io/blog/ccpa-selling-and-sharing-what-count...


It's really simple. If you sell ads, you sell private information.


> Palantir is an integration company

That's not true at all. I worked with Palantir on a project for a prior company and they'd basically do whatever you wanted if you paid them. They had a very heavy data / "AI" presence and this was years ago. They certainly do not just do integrations.


They don't buy or sell data.


They certainly say they don’t. Its a company that I don’t think would have any qualms about lying through its teeth.




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