Well, the privacy darling Flock was from the YC 2017 summer batch, so I think it's already known what VCs think about ethics if it can make good money.
Hint, it's optional.
(And while I'm not saying for eg PG is personally an anti privacy guy, it's impossible not to hold YC leadership accountable for aiding these cos, or at least looking away.)
I would say that HN's data is public so if Palantir wants it they already have it, unlike identifying documents collected by discord that connect discord identities to real identities.
Well it doesn't have to send much since 99% of information is already public. But I still would not doubt it for a second, there is no reason to think otherwise. There is no benefit to not sending them data and no downside to sending it.
One big difference is that Discord literally told people they were going to be using their data for a Theil backed experiment. That's a lot different than the possibility that a company might send your data.
That being said, no, it wouldn't particularly surprise me if Y Combinator sends data to Palantir.
> One big difference is that Discord literally told people they were going to be using their data for a Theil backed experiment.
You got a source for that? Because the only communication I've seen from Discord implies no data is sent when these scans take place, its supposed to all take place locally FIRST is my understanding. The only exception is if the local scan goofs in some way.
> Key privacy protections of Discord’s age-assurance approach include:
> On-device processing: Video selfies for facial age estimation never leave a user’s device.
> Quick deletion: Identity documents submitted to our vendor partners are deleted quickly— in most cases, immediately after age confirmation.
> Straightforward age assurance: In most cases, users complete the process once and their Discord experience adapts to their verified age group. Users may be asked to use multiple methods only when more information is needed to assign an age group.
> Private status: A user’s age group status cannot be seen by other users.
> You got a source for that? Because the only communication I've seen from Discord implies no data is sent when these scans take place, its supposed to all take place locally FIRST is my understanding.
> The only exception is if the local scan goofs in some way.
Basically this, if it fails or if you wish to escalate past that, then there's a path that would hit Persona (or, would have, they've since ended their relationship with Persona. Previously, you'd open a ticket in Zendesk, which is where data was breached from before).
I don't think people are nearly as concerned about their selfie as they are for the security of their identifying documents, which Discord has already screwed up in securing once during this fiasco.
> That being said, no, it wouldn't particularly surprise me if Y Combinator sends data to Palantir.
A point I hadn't thought of before. A denial at this point wouldn't mean much because with the API and some sensible pacing anyone can access the information.
"Sends" is active. "Is scraped by" is the assumed passive.
That's not bad faith under any meaningful definition of that term.
>I want to know what this sentence means besides “I don’t like this person”(
It means that Peter Thiel's goals, if fulfilled, will bring immense harm to others, and the extent to which he was able to attain goals of that sort is hardly rivaled by any other person in the US.
Now, nobody is under any obligation to break down clearly written English sentences for you, but if you have difficulty understanding them, the right thing to do would be to simply ask questions like "Why do you say this?", or "What do you mean exactly?".
Not "Is it binary? Are we talking utilitarianism?".
>I also think selectively associating everything with palantir because the same VC participates is dishonest.*
The association is not just because "the same VC" participates, but because "the same VC" is Peter Thiel (a very influential individual, huge contributor to the Heritage foundation and Project 2025, mentor of VP J.D. Vance, and someone seen as one of the most evil people and America), and Palantir is Peter Thiel's mass surveillance company which is the foundation on which Peter Thiel has built his fortune (not just a company in which he's a VC, it's a company he founded and got immensely rich off of).
> Heritage foundation and Project 2025, mentor of VP J.D. Vance
Left wing boogie man words. You’re telling me he’s Soros backed and studies Frankfurt school rn.
> and Palantir is Peter Thiel's mass surveillance company
It’s a company he invested in which does surveillance for the government. It doesn’t do surveillance for him. Does PayPal manage his money?
But once again, what’s the connection here? He once invested in palantir, and his fund (of which there are many managers) once invested in this company.
Are you going to be consistent? Have you stayed in Thiel backed housing in the past year? Are you using Thiel’s internet or taxis?
> It means that Peter Thiel's goals, if fulfilled, will bring immense harm to others
Ok then let’s hear arguments against those. Don’t hide behind moralism.
There is no way in which discord using this company for identity leads to Peter thiel taking over the world or getting all your information.
>Left wing boogie man words. You’re telling me he’s Soros backed and studies Frankfurt school rn.
No, I am telling you that he is actively involved in global politics at the highest levels, and wields influence over both the executive branch of the US government as well as the Congress.
>[Palantir] is a company he invested in which does surveillance for the government.
No, it's not a company he "invested in".
It's a company in which Peter Thiel is a central co-founder, the chairman of the board, and a major shareholder.
You are deliberately downplaying his involvement in Palantir here. You won't say that Meta is a company that Zuckerberg has "invested in", or that Google was a company Page and Brin "invested in". It's silly.
>Does PayPal manage his money
No, because:
1. He's not involved with PayPal anymore, and
2. PayPal has never been a money management company. They're a money transfer company.
When he was involved in a money transfer company, however, it would be in his interest for every money transfer in the world to be take place via PayPal.
Now that he is in surveillance business, it is in best interest that everyone person in the world would be surveilled by his company.
>It doesn’t do surveillance for him
You're funny. It does surveillance for whoever has access to the data. Which he does.
>Have you stayed in Thiel backed housing in the past year? Are you using Thiel’s internet or taxis?
No, no, and no. (Own house, own car, and Comcast has no connection to Thiel).
I am consistent.
>Ok then let’s hear arguments against those.
Google is your friend, nobody here owes you an argument. You asked what the parent comment meant, and I explained this to you clearly enough.
