I'm just here to enjoy the endlessly fractal spiraling double-think of tariffs being the devil when the US implements them, and being double-plus-good when the European Union implements them (or China or South America).
As hackers here are very intelligent but also very unwise, they find great enjoyment in double-think exercises and the resentment it gives them.
The EU has a weighted mean tariff of about 1.3%. Prior to ol' mini-hands, the US had a weighted mean of 2.4%; it now has a weighted mean of about 8% (or, well, did until this ruling, who knows now). China is 2.1%. A couple of countries in South America have very high tariffs, but you'd expect that; high tariffs are normally a marker of a developing economy.
The idea that the EU is high-tariff, while popular on the internet, is simply not supported by the facts.
Tariffs are great for developing countries. It protects their nascent industries/businesses that are not even ready to compete with those from developed countries and specifically to prevent developed countries from dumping goods (look up anti-dumping laws). Tariffs suck for developed countries as it just raises tax on its own citizens without any benefits that are enjoyed by developing countries.
> being the devil when the US implements them, and being double-plus-good when the European Union implements them (or China or South America).
You can also flip the argument and say that it is "double-plus-good" when USD is reserve currency but is the devil when Euro, Yen, Yuan, Rubles, Rupee et all want to be reserve currency too. Why does US admin go bananas when the topic of a BRICS currency is brought up?
Developed countries have levers. Developing countries have levers too. That's how balance has been maintained all these years since the World order was established post-WW2. Now if US wants to undo this World order (which it itself help setup) and wants to behave like a developing country, then developing countries will encroach on areas US holds dear to it: USD as reserve currency, cross-border transactions through SWIFT, imposing sanctions etc. Remember that it is not US alone that holds all the cards. Everyone else has their own cards as well.
Please study why tariffs exist in the first place. It is not to punish a country. It is used as protection from a stronger adversary, especially by developing countries, for balancing trade disparities. Not everything can be lop-sided in favor of US.
Because US is a developed country. US should not be imposing tariffs and taxing its own citizens for zero gains.
> about punishment and such
Tariffs is like taking a battle-axe and hacking your own foot. So it is definitely a punishment for US Citizens. Who do you think was paying the exorbitant 40-50% import duties? It is not the exporting country. It is the US Citizen/Company, that was importing the product/raw material, which had to pay those duties. It is a massive tax on US Citizens apart from the tax they are already paying.
None of them have country wide tariffs (not counting reciprocal tariffs imposed after Trump imposed tariffs).
US has nearly double the GDP of second in line: China. It can easily dump goods at lower cost compared to China or any other country on the planet and destroy domestic competition. Which is why tariffs are imposed on select industries/products. It is an anti-dumping measure.
Like I said, US is behaving like a developing country by imposing tariffs. Which is only going to hurt its own citizens.
And this is the fractal spiraling hacker double-think I was looking forward to enjoy. Now China is a poor little developing country which is vulnerable to the USA dumping their low-cost goods onto them.
Edit: I appreciate that you are arguing your points like a gentleman, while I'm maybe not.
> Now China is a poor little developing country which is vulnerable to the USA dumping their low-cost goods onto them.
It is not about being poor or little per se, but more about being developing. Just because China is second in GDP and is a behemoth in various sectors (and clearly way ahead, in comparison to US in some of the sectors), it is still clearly not on the same level as USA both economically or militarily. Despite that, China does not apply a blanket tariff on all nations of the World. It is more targeted and specific to sectors where it feels the other nation can endanger it. Heck, it can even remove tariffs if it feels domestic production is more expensive. For example, China removed 30% import duty on Indian pharma sector because domestic production of the same generic as well as branded drugs was more expensive.
The higher you are in the economic ladder, it is only beneficial for you to reduce your tariffs. Because of two simple points:
1. You being higher in the economic ladder implies you have higher disposable income. That means your citizens can buy produce/services at cheaper rates from those below the ladder.
2. Lower/zero tariffs ensures no brakes on spending.
If you increase tariffs, you are going to reduce the disposable income of your own citizens. Because those tariffs are borne by the citizens. The tariff that is collected does not reduce any deficit that exists between your country and the countries below you in the economic ladder as deficits are reduced through increasing exports and not by taxing imports.
The problem with Trump's tariffs is that it is not targeted. It is across the board. This reduces disposable income of US citizens drastically, thereby forcing them to NOT spend on anything except for what is needed for survival. Wages are not increasing to offset the loss in disposable income (it is hardly keeping up with rising inflation). So what is the net result if citizens do not have sufficient disposable income to buy products/services beyond what is bare necessities? You end up in recession or worse a depression.
It is not the first time this has been tried. It has been tried before with devastating consequences for US and indirectly rest of the World. Read up on 1930's Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act which directly contributed to accelerating the depression: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%80%93Hawley_Tariff_Ac...
Famously tariffs on steel. The European Union was originally created as a tariffs union, and the official name was "European Coal and Steel Community", which then slowly grew into the EU we have now.
Steel tariffs are still a core part of the EU, and are aggressively used today.
The European Commission has all the information on tariffs you might be interested in at this page:
As hackers here are very intelligent but also very unwise, they find great enjoyment in double-think exercises and the resentment it gives them.