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This would be a good explanation but most of these immigrants, especially from outside the EU, are not net contributors.

vide https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-e...

from https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/12/18/why-have-danes-t...

And I highly doubt other governments don't have similar calculations or aren't aware of them.



That Economist stat often gets misunderstood. It is "net contribution to public finances" (= how much taxes do they pay), not "net contribution to the economy". This is because they are overly represented in low wage jobs, or indeed on longterm welfare. People in the lowest tax brackets pay very little of it.

I do agree that there needs to be a honest conversation about what (economic) immigrants offer vs. what they cost, but it needs to be done properly.

We will need immigrants because we are below 2.1 in Total Fertility Rate. But, the EU doesn't need to be the comfy life raft of the world as it has been for the past 2-3 decades.



...but Brits voted against EU immigrants.


Yeah, what I am saying is that these votes, regardless of their formal content, are usually an expression of general anti-immigrant sentiment.

Like voting for AfD. I doubt many people look at this organization and its leaders to conclude that "ah, here is the talent I would love to have running my country." They're merely the only available option against. Same with brexit.


Similar to voting for brexit if they ever get what they're voting for they'll come to regret it.


UK pays for free housing of 110 thousand immigrants. And that's just one of the many well fare benefits.

But when they face deficit, they raise taxes instead of, crazy idea, not spending billions of money taken from UK citizens to provide free housing and food for foreigners.

UK citizens are rightfully pissed off that their life is getting worse.

That's not the social contract and being pissed off about that is not racism. It's self preservation.

The same happens in Spain, Germany, France, Italy.

That's your big mystery of why AfD or Reform UK are popular: because the parties currently in power are flat out refusing to implement clear desires of their voters.

That's how democracy is supposed to work: AfD and Reform UK and Le Pen are gaining because they are promising to implement the desires of citizens of German, UK or France.


> The same happens in Spain, Germany, France, Italy.

Spain is a bad example to reach for here, they are on track to regularize a huge chunk of unauthorized migrants: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62n6gw1dp9o


Because Poles and Romanians are "other" enough to be hated... Ironically Britain had then to "import" people from Asia, Africa to e.g. work in the hospitals.

The foreigner-hate is so short-sighted. Your underpaid hospital worker, house cleaner, fruit picker, taxi driver, UberEats delivery is usually foreign, they don't mind working the exploitative conditions because for them the money is much better than home, providing you with affordable fruits, taxis and delivery (until the rent-seeking corporations want even more than 30%...). Get rid of them, and you'll have to pay living wages for your fruits and delivery. Heh, Westerners, still wanting to enjoy the fruits of colonization.

(Yeah the solution shouldn't be to continue allowing the exploitation, probably a better wealth distribution, but hey, why are you looking at my wallet, look at Elon's wallet!)


First, they didn't have to.

Crazy idea: educate more people, lower barriers to entry, hire people from poorer western countries and not Africa.

Poland has hospitals staffed 100% by Polish people. What prevents UK from doing the same?

Second, if immigration was only for skilled workers to plug shortages of certain skills, it would not be a problem.

It's a problem because in 2025 estimated 41 thousand unskilled people, mostly young men, landed in UK just via small boats.

Those are not doctors or nurses or engineers or even fruit pickers. They are unemployed and therefore a massive drain on British resources.

UK gov for some unexplained reason decided that they are responsible for housing and feeding them. The money comes from taxing UK citizens.

The housing is zero sum game so it also comes from depriving some UK citizens, driving up the prices.

And those people get sick too so they also take away hospital resources from UK citizens.

And they don't work so you now have mostly young males loitering in neighborhoods.


I'm sure the UK has way more than 41 thousand shitty jobs with shitty pay that no native really wants. I doubt they're not working because they don't want to.

In Canada the standard complaint is that "immigrants take the jobs" not that "immigrants aren't working". It seems like it's a lot easier to get a job at a Tim Hortons if you speak Hindi like the owners and managers. A job at a restaurant if you speak Levantine Arabic.

And those are just the public tip of the iceberg. Construction crews are mostly foreign. Our roofers were Indian. Our landscapers were Lebanese / Syrian. The people we interacted with spoke great English, but their workers didn't.

The big difference is that Canada had constant immigration. They came over 40 years ago and since they had trouble finding employment became entrepreneurs and restaurants and construction and other blue collar services are the most fertile areas for entrepreneurs. Now they have a huge advantage in hiring low cost labor.


> UK gov for some unexplained reason decided that they are responsible for housing and feeding them. The money comes from taxing UK citizens.

I see your winginess from your post. You're going to stop reading this because you'll find it disgusting, but hey I'll bother anyway: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/04/dina-nayeri-un...

She wrote: > Civilised people don’t ask for resumes when answering calls from the edge of a grave. It shouldn’t matter what I did after I cleaned myself off and threw away the last of my asylum-seeking clothes. My accomplishments should belong only to me. There should be no question of earning my place, of showing that I was a good bet. My family and I were once humans in danger, and we knocked on the doors of every embassy we came across: the UK, America, Australia, Italy. America answered and so, decades later, I still feel a need to bow down to airport immigration officers simply for saying “Welcome home”.

> But what America did was a basic human obligation. It is the obligation of every person born in a safer room to open the door when someone in danger knocks. It is your duty to answer us, even if we don’t give you sugary success stories.

But heck, "civilised people", I'm beginning to doubt very much that Western Europeans deserve that moniker.

You write:

> Poland has hospitals staffed 100% by Polish people. What prevents UK from doing the same?

Maybe because UK kids don't want the underpaid overwork conditions? Why not pay them better and give more of the taxpayer's money for the NHS, oh some of you will moan about that as well? Maybe the NHS will be forced to spend the money for outsourcing, ensuring the Tory-run outsourcing companies earn those nice bucks - hey why not direct your anger at them?

> And they don't work so you now have mostly young males loitering in neighborhoods.

Yeah, perversely refugees applying for permit aren't allowed to earn income, so again it's the government preventing them to work. Allow them to pick those fruits for some income and you'll moan about the government making the country even more attractive for people to run away from bullets and bombs...


Yeah, op is pretty unhinged.

Moaning about irregular migration but "forgetting" UK has no legal routes and can't reject them back or France since UK left the EU.

Moaning about UK hosting them (often in dangerous conditions) while forgetting they're forbidden from renting, and finally complaining about UK feeding them while pretending that giving them work is not an offence.

Right Reform kook. Or maybe from their Konfederation party seeing he seems to be from Poland.


Poland has hospitals staffed 100% by Polish people.

Nope: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016885102...


Seems like Brexit didn't help




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