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Does "don't be evil" mean "don't build robots that the government will use to kill or harm people"?

It would be nice to see some clarification on this from Google management. There's only so far you can go in high end robotics research before the pentagon comes a-knocking with wheelbarrows of freshly printed money.

in b4 "skynet"



Google's "Don't be evil" carries no more weight than your local mechanic's "The best car shop in town!". It's cheap branding.


You and I know this, but I imagine there are many Googlers who take it to heart, and the cognitive dissonance involved in their building war machines may be useful to our ends of reducing American-perpetrated violence.


How about we wait until Google actually starts building such weapons before we start accusing them of actually wanting to do so.


How about we wait until someone actually accuses Google of that before we accuse them of accusing Google of that.


What makes you think we'd ever be told?


It is flatly impossible to build such devices and prevent them from being weaponized.


But what is more evil - that your coworker works on encryption technology that is used to pilot drones, or that your coworker didn't work on that technology, and thus in order to foil a terrorist plot, ground missions were required that ended up costing the lives of a strict superset of people? Don't get me wrong - I don't condone the lengths to which our government uses war technology, but as an engineer, the probability distribution over {my technology will be evil by some metric, my technology will promote good in this world by that metric} is by no means certain.


The former is more evil. The potential disasters associated with the latter are a significant deterrent to doing it unless it really matters.


(Shrug) I don't care what you're working on, it can be used for evil. It is never rational to fixate on tools and objects. Worry more about actions.


It seems your "foil a terrorist plot" is some sort of preemptive policing. Why are we doing that, again? And who are these "terrorists"?


Puzzling that you would only be concerned with violence from one source.


It used to mean something... I wonder for how long


FTA:

"Dr. Raibert has said in the past that he does not consider his company to be a military contractor — it is merely trying to advance robotics technology. Google executives said the company would honor existing military contracts, but that it did not plan to move toward becoming a military contractor on its own."


If one is working on military contracts, then one is a military contractor.

If they are owned by Google and Google honors those contracts, then this is the day that Google publicly became a military contractor.


There are two sides to this story. The one I consider almost insignificant is that by honouring existing contracts, they have become a defence contractor in the literal sense.

The more important one is that by not doing new work for the military, they have just remove one of the hottest companies from the defence market.

I wonder whether the US government has ways of withholding regulatory approval of this deal because of this.


If they didn't buy the company, they would have to honor the contracts anyways. If they break the contract presumably they will have to face consequences, possibly paying money to DARPA so some other company can do it.

Besides not everyone believes DARPA is "evil".


Or they will direct their talents not to the military any more (after honoring existing contracts) to other more non-violent applications.


One can only hope.

That was my fantasy upon reading the headline: "Google acquires and renders harmless army of kill-bots"

Sadly, I'm afraid it was a dream.


If the robots are used for military logistics (moving stuff around, but not directly engaging in combat) would you consider them to be "robots that the government will use to kill or harm people"?


It would be better, but it's still enabling the US military. Even from the perspective of US allies and beneficiaries it can be distasteful to deal with companies that directly enable the DoD.

My own politics aside, there's a pragmatic concern: the NSA is part of the DoD. If Google is fulfilling military contracts, then it's going to be hard to do that and to push back hard against NSA.


Unless they're only doing it so as not to be sued for breach of contract. If they're not chasing future grants from DARPA then there's no incentive at all to play nice on other fronts.


Yes.


What if the robots are only used to kill evil people?


Then we will reclassify everyone we want to kill as 'evil', just like the administration reclassified any adult male in a combat zone as an 'enemy combatant'.


> What if the robots are only used to kill evil people?

Evil by whose definition is usually the question.


By yours.


"Calamitous intent" evil or just "meh" evil?


David Bowie, Klaus Nomi, and Iggy Pop insist meh evil is plenty.


Who cares? Prevention is more efficient than remediation anyways.


Skynet is actually on Google's Master Plan http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/21468536/in/photostre...


Dito for AI and ML - I know some who moved out of AI research for this very reason.




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