My main point was just that it's never felt right for me personally when I try to write too much logic into templates directly. Because at the point where you hit the limit of what that abstraction supports you now have to solve that problem outside of the abstraction, fragmenting your code.

/me shrugs

It's all about how much you actually need to customize beyond what you get from something like angular out of the box.

I'm not wanting to fight a framework war, that's for sure. If angular works well for someone, that's awesome they should keep using it.

The item you pointed out in the second quote, yup... that's a big deal for us.